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The New Internet
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Re: The New Internet
#12Even though I don't agree with the whole "New Internet" thing, this article is very well written.
I agree. This is article reads well. It has flow, good punctuation and pacing. Apart from the message that we will eventually pay Tithe to our new overlord tailscale, it was great.
Re: The New Internet
#13I love Tailscale, but this post gives me the creeps. The internet succeeded because it was built on standards and was completely free. With Tailscale, I get wireguard is open source and we have things like Headscale. But the whole everyone gets an IP, doesn’t it depend on Tailscale owning a massive ip address space? We can all wait until full ipv6 rollout, or we can depend on centralized ipv4, and servers and proprie…
100.64.0.0/10 is a reserved IP block for carrier-grade NAT.
Re: The New Internet
#14I love Tailscale, but this post gives me the creeps. The internet succeeded because it was built on standards and was completely free. With Tailscale, I get wireguard is open source and we have things like Headscale. But the whole everyone gets an IP, doesn’t it depend on Tailscale owning a massive ip address space? We can all wait until full ipv6 rollout, or we can depend on centralized ipv4, and servers and proprie…
100.64.0.0/10 is a reserved IP block for carrier-grade NAT.
More info about Carrier-Grade NAT (for others who, like me, are only encountering this term for the time):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT
Can anyone elighten me regarding what is different or special about 100.64.0.0/10 vs say, 192.168.0.0 or 10.0.0.0.
Edit: Answered my own question by digging into more wikis, there is a helpful table of reservations and intentions here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserved_IP_addresses
Re: The New Internet
#15An incredibly long ramp up to complaining about centralised control by rent seekers (a very reasonable complaint!) which gets bogged down in some ostensibly unrelated shade about whether client-server computing makes sense (it does) or is itself somehow responsible for the rent seeking (it isn't; you can seek rent on proprietary peer to peer systems as well!) to then arrive at:
> There’s going to be a new world of haves and have-nots. Where in 1970 you had or didn’t have a mainframe, and in 1995 you had or didn’t have the Internet, and today you have or don’t have a TLS cert, tomorrow you’ll have or not have Tailscale. And if you don’t, you won’t be able to run apps that only work in a post-Tailscale world.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Re: The New Internet
#16I love Tailscale, but this post gives me the creeps. The internet succeeded because it was built on standards and was completely free. With Tailscale, I get wireguard is open source and we have things like Headscale. But the whole everyone gets an IP, doesn’t it depend on Tailscale owning a massive ip address space? We can all wait until full ipv6 rollout, or we can depend on centralized ipv4, and servers and proprie…
If you had to move off of tailscale, what would you move to?
Re: The New Internet
#17I really enjoy and appreciate the tailscale service, but this article didn't click for me. I love an inspiring CEO rally speech as much as the next early adopter, and agree that there is a ridiculous amount of developer friction and complexity in computing, but tailscale still has its own friction and isn't on track to solve the big picture issues _at all_. As a concrete example, a few weeks ago, I invited my dad to…
Is your dad running Windows? Windows firewall is known to block icmp traffic, a problem that neither Tailscale nor any other p2p VPN can solve.
Re: The New Internet
#18As I've been deliberately moving toward self-hosted computing, under my control, on my home network, I've had a feeling more and more that we're on the cusp of something transformative... For those who want it and those who care. There's an ecosystem of mostly FOSS software now designed to run on a home network and replace big, centralized, cloud providers. That software is right on the edge of being easy enough for everyone to use and for sufficient numbers of people to deploy and administer. News like Immich (to replace Google Photos) getting a major investment thanks to Louis Rossman and FUTO [1] is encouraging. The ecosystem of software you can now run on a commodity built NAS or homelab is, for me, the most exciting thing in computing since I first used the Internet in the late 90s.
The rollout and transformation, if it happens, won't look like all this stuff becoming so easy that every individual can run a server. But it is possible that every extended family will have at least one member who can run a server or administer a private network for the whole clan. And that's where tech like tailscale's offering will come in. That's where I see the author's vision being a believable moonshot:
Each extended family, and some small communities, with their own little interconnected, distributed network-citadels, behind the firewalls of which they do their computing, their sharing, and their work. Most family members won't need to understand it any more than they understand the centralized clouds they use now. And most networks won't be as well secured as a massive company can make its cloud offering, but a patchwork heterogeneity of network-citadels creates its own sort of security, and significantly lowers the value of any one "citadel" to even motivated adversaries.
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#19I love Tailscale, but this post gives me the creeps. The internet succeeded because it was built on standards and was completely free. With Tailscale, I get wireguard is open source and we have things like Headscale. But the whole everyone gets an IP, doesn’t it depend on Tailscale owning a massive ip address space? We can all wait until full ipv6 rollout, or we can depend on centralized ipv4, and servers and proprie…
If you had to move off of tailscale, what would you move to?
Zerotier is I think the obvious answer? I haven't used it though; it's more proprietary, not less.
Re: The New Internet
#20An incredibly long ramp up to complaining about centralised control by rent seekers (a very reasonable complaint!) which gets bogged down in some ostensibly unrelated shade about whether client-server computing makes sense (it does) or is itself somehow responsible for the rent seeking (it isn't; you can seek rent on proprietary peer to peer systems as well!) to then arrive at: > There’s going to be a new world of ha…
Rent seekers are bad! Don't you all hate landlords?! Now let me tell you why you should pay rent to me as well as everyone you currently pay rent to!