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Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by fransje26 »

f_allwein wrote: post #9
zarzavat wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike HS2, the Indonesian high speed train does not attempt to go to the city center. Instead, there is a slow feeder train to get to the terminal on the outskirts of Bandung that takes almost as long as the high speed train itself. So, Asia has not solved this particular problem either. The main problem with HS2 is that it goes underground through rural areas for political reasons.

High speed trains in France, Germany, Italy, ... all usually go to the city centres as well.

> in France

Not really. They can, but mostly only do so at end stations. The network is built with excentered, specific stations meant to avoid the slow-down caused by merging into normal train traffic, with slow, crowded track sections.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by esskay »

panick21_ wrote: post #6

Laber needs to get off its ass and reorganize this. The way the whole HS2 thing is organised is braindead. Throwing all the costs for everything from stations to trains into the same semi-private company. Not learning best practices from Japan rail station operation. Building way to many tunnels because of a few braindead Nimbys. Simply recreate BritishRail, make the railroad public, including things like rolling sto…

In fairness to them they've only just taken control, and have already said they are reforming British Rail, and are reviewing HS2. It's not a click of the fingers thing to fix.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by Angostura »

panick21_ wrote: post #6

Laber needs to get off its ass and reorganize this. The way the whole HS2 thing is organised is braindead. Throwing all the costs for everything from stations to trains into the same semi-private company. Not learning best practices from Japan rail station operation. Building way to many tunnels because of a few braindead Nimbys. Simply recreate BritishRail, make the railroad public, including things like rolling sto…

One problem that Labour face is that the contracts are already signed. So, for example - a report just out from the Audit Commission says it will be cheaper to build platforms in Birmingham that will never be used, than to not use them.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by stirlo »

"Currently, all the costs fall on HS2, whereas the profits from the oversite development go to the Treasury. So although both are effectively arms of the government, the Treausry’s desire for a larger oversite development piled costs onto HS2 that it is not able to offset from the extra property sales."

Remarkable how rules accounting rules like this can derail a project. Clearly any foundational costs for commercial development should be billed out of the profits coming from said developments.

It's beaurocratic bullshit like this that results in short term thinking with any attempt to build a better more profitable staion being expressed as a project overun and resulting in cancellations or scale backs of critical features.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by brnt »

fransje26 wrote: post #11
f_allwein wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High speed trains in France, Germany, Italy, ... all usually go to the city centres as well.

> in France Not really. They can, but mostly only do so at end stations. The network is built with excentered, specific stations meant to avoid the slow-down caused by merging into normal train traffic, with slow, crowded track sections.

If you are talking about the stations at Lyon Exupery or Disney: what I really like about the SNCF is that they offer you the choice. There definitely are trains that go through the center of Lyon (Part Dieu) if you want, but if you want to pass around (and then take the tram/bus), you can too. I never had to choose one of those out-of-town stations if I didn't want to.

If you are talking about Ouigo, yes, but you get a low price in return. And it's not your only option.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by alias_neo »

I read an article[0] just this morning (dated yesterday), that due to reduced seats on HS2, passengers may need to be "encouraged" to NOT travel by train at certain times "if at all".

With the war on drivers, and years of trying to convince us to travel by train, despite ludicrous prices and appalling service, they're now going to tell us _not_ to travel by train?

Complete and utter insanity, I mean seriously, the plot has thoroughly been lost.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c725k6ynw7go

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by kalleboo »

brnt wrote: post #7
Yeul wrote: post #2

I was reading the newspaper a few weeks ago and there were two articles that amused me: The first one was about Dutch high speed trains having to reduce speed to 80kph because the construction company fucked up the bridge construction. The second article was about the new high speed train in Indonesia. Every once in a while you're reminded that this is Asia's century.

Indonesia's HSR stations are so far out of Jakarta/Bandung, the trips there and back are almost certainly going to be the majority of your trip. People complained about Euston not linking up well, imagine if you'd have to first go to Milton Keynes. The Netherlands are having to build track over bog. It can't sink, it can't vibrate too much. It's hard to get right. The Chinese can build track through your living room…

> The Chinese can build track through your living room if they want to

They actually can't, leading to some pretty hilarious situations of lone houses in the middle of roads

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/apr/15/china...

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by dagurp »

panick21_ wrote: post #6

Laber needs to get off its ass and reorganize this. The way the whole HS2 thing is organised is braindead. Throwing all the costs for everything from stations to trains into the same semi-private company. Not learning best practices from Japan rail station operation. Building way to many tunnels because of a few braindead Nimbys. Simply recreate BritishRail, make the railroad public, including things like rolling sto…

Nationalising the rail is one of their targets. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/24/labour-prom...

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by panick21_ »

f_allwein wrote: post #9
zarzavat wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike HS2, the Indonesian high speed train does not attempt to go to the city center. Instead, there is a slow feeder train to get to the terminal on the outskirts of Bandung that takes almost as long as the high speed train itself. So, Asia has not solved this particular problem either. The main problem with HS2 is that it goes underground through rural areas for political reasons.

High speed trains in France, Germany, Italy, ... all usually go to the city centres as well.

In Germany usually they go to the normal network, they don't have a direct high speed connection to the city center.

Re: More delays for Euston's HS2 station

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Post by brnt »

kalleboo wrote: post #17
brnt wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indonesia's HSR stations are so far out of Jakarta/Bandung, the trips there and back are almost certainly going to be the majority of your trip. People complained about Euston not linking up well, imagine if you'd have to first go to Milton Keynes. The Netherlands are having to build track over bog. It can't sink, it can't vibrate too much. It's hard to get right. The Chinese can build track through your living room…

> The Chinese can build track through your living room if they want to They actually can't, leading to some pretty hilarious situations of lone houses in the middle of roads https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/apr/15/china...

There the infra is only technically not through their living rooms, for all practical purposes those buildings are no longer usable.
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