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Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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What is autism if not a collection of symptoms?

Autism is the reason for the symptoms. The symptoms can also be reduced by masking.

I wouldn't characterize masking as a reduction of symptoms.

Masking is putting on a face to _hide_ symptoms from others to appear more 'normal'. It's f-ing exhausting. The symptoms never go away.

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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How do I learn the principles of the ideal diet? I'm a 35 year old Indian following traditional diet but with much less rice and more pulses/beans with organic ingredients (if they are are not lying).

According to this paper, it should be tailored to you individually based on peeing and pooing into a cup to see what's excessive and deficient.

Just as our ancestors did.

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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I was a nurse in the Learning Disability field for 17 years, and cared for many people on the spectrum and dealt their parents.

Many parents carried guilt. Many parents transferred that guilt into anger at people like me (for some reason they thought that their child would get better care in an hospital setting) or would direct their anger inwards and feel terrible.

A simplistic headline, along with no actual research can only make thing worse for carers and families.

Families will demand more. Carers will have a harder job.

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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That's a lot of hypotheticals, and frankly that situation is not too unusual in medicine. They take first do no harm quite seriously. Heck we could have gathered quite a lot of very important and useful data by deliberately infecting a few thousand people with Covid, or even just placing them at risk. To my knowledge none of the obvious experiments on the infectiousness of Covid or the effect of countermeasures happe…

I see your point. But I sometimes wonder how much harm we actually do by being afraid to confront the current political opinions. I believe at least in the UK, after the Tavistock scandal, people started asking questions. I mean, you mention taking do no harm seriously, and at the same time doctors give children puberty blockers sometimes after just two visits, knowing it will negatively impact their physical health…

> I believe at least in the UK, after the Tavistock scandal, people started asking questions. I mean, you mention taking do no harm seriously...

I think that's a good reminder/example that you you can't really reason from high-flying principles like "first do no harm" to actual behavior and effect, especially when politics and/or ideology are involved. If my ideology says X is harmful, and yours says X is needed to avoid harm, is harm being done or avoided? That's an political question, not a scientific one, and will ultimately come down to who has the power to impose their view.

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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With an apparent sample size of 2, it seems really early to treat this as any sort of breakthrough. I'm particularly skeptical that they spent more effort gloating about the super natural no processed foods diet than they did about the actual medical processes that gave the results.

It kinda feels like it's pandering to the anti-modernity pseudo-science crowd to me.

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The idea of "reversing" autism symptoms is promising but should be understood in the context of managing symptoms rather than curing the condition

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Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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See how journalists sensationalize. The original title "Reversal of Autism Symptoms among Dizygotic Twins through a Personalized Lifestyle and Environmental Modification Approach" became "Autism can be reversed, scientists discover" which is an entirely different thing. Facepalm.

How is it sensationalizing? I would not have thought it possible to reverse autism at all, now I do. Only read the abstract but it’s still pretty sensational.

You can't reverse autism because it is on gene level(unless you do heavy gene editing): https://www.livescience.com/health/neuroscience/lab-grown-mi...

Even more - that is also evolutionary change, as 40% speed increase of brain development in embryos is exactly that. How other things are adapting is of different matter. All people will be autistic eventually.

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I expect this to stay flagged but this article is partially my fault. It's completely true and not editorialized. >The diet was casein-free, a protein found in milk; low-sugar; had no artificial colours or dyes; zero ultra-processed foods; primarily organic; and locally sourced Aspergers can essentially be reversed. Level 2 and 3 can dramatically be reduced. The thing that really upsets me, the anti-autism/adhd discr…

I think that your wording is still horrendous.

One thing is autism that is in genes and other is behavioral/adaptational etc. change.

I can assure you that diet had no impact on my anxiety that I have with my autism, where in stressful situations I have severe communication issues with other people with all rhe "classic autism" symptoms, while in very relaxed environment you will have a hard time to define me as autistic at all - where my adhd(undiagnosed) would crawl out...

What realy upsets is how some autistic people are defining themselves an their place in society. I had less issues wit NT people - almost always the people that tried to impose on me some rules were people with diagnosed/undiagnosed spectrum - the worst damage I have seen to others also have been from autistic people as with NTs you can mirror, but with peolle on spectrum - it is a nightmare.

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Autism is the reason for the symptoms. The symptoms can also be reduced by masking.

I wouldn't characterize masking as a reduction of symptoms. Masking is putting on a face to _hide_ symptoms from others to appear more 'normal'. It's f-ing exhausting. The symptoms never go away.

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