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Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Post by raducu »

ddmf wrote: post #28
ImaCake wrote: post #22

This is a terrible headline for an already over-editoralised paper. The entire study revolves around 2 people (twins) and thus no statistics can be performed. Statistics is careful to prune away hypothesises but I am happy to state that this paper is wrong based on its lack of care and shitty title. The description suggests ABA therapy + diet. ABA therapy does in fact improve the percieved symptoms of autism, but it…

ABA is based on the same underlying research that gay conversion therapy uses.

I know from various empirical sources that ABA works way better than the alternatives.

But how about the gay conversion therapy?

Can anybody do any real science on that or any scientist that would touch the topic would have to say goodbye to his career?

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Post by EnigmaFlare »

aitchnyu wrote: post #18
nyc111 wrote: post #3

"The twins underwent behavioural analysis, speech therapy and a strict gluten-free diet and nutrition programme as part of the trial to reduce inflammation." "The diet was casein-free, a protein found in milk; low-sugar; had no artificial colours or dyes; zero ultra-processed foods; primarily organic; and locally sourced." Once again, this shows how important a balanced microbiome is for good lealth.

How do I learn the principles of the ideal diet? I'm a 35 year old Indian following traditional diet but with much less rice and more pulses/beans with organic ingredients (if they are are not lying).

According to this paper, it should be tailored to you individually based on peeing and pooing into a cup to see what's excessive and deficient.

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Post by DANmode »

EnigmaFlare wrote: post #27
iefbr14 wrote: post #5

I see no mention in the article of a control group. Maybe repeated autism tests have fluctuating outcomes in young untreated patients as well.

It's not really a scientific study. More of a story about some parents who threw the kitchen sink of hippy treatments (including homeopathy) at their kids by reading books, listening to podcasts(?), and hiring lots of specialists. Maybe the conclusion should be "autism symptoms reversed after highly motivated parents did everything they could think of".

A case study.

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

thih9 wrote: post #15
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Post by contravariant »

raducu wrote: post #31
ddmf wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ABA is based on the same underlying research that gay conversion therapy uses.

I know from various empirical sources that ABA works way better than the alternatives. But how about the gay conversion therapy? Can anybody do any real science on that or any scientist that would touch the topic would have to say goodbye to his career?

Any real science is probably out of the question, but is that really that unusual?

Plenty of subjects are impossible to research for ethical reasons. I think some data on hypothermia is still only known because of some of the terrible things nazis did.

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Post by timwaagh »

Basically they did about a thousand things and it resulted in some very real improvements. Their view is that there's no single cause but many and each cause needs to be addressed individually. Which seems realistic. But it doesn't help us see what does what exactly.

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Post by Jacky4Chan »

ImaCake wrote: post #22

This is a terrible headline for an already over-editoralised paper. The entire study revolves around 2 people (twins) and thus no statistics can be performed. Statistics is careful to prune away hypothesises but I am happy to state that this paper is wrong based on its lack of care and shitty title. The description suggests ABA therapy + diet. ABA therapy does in fact improve the percieved symptoms of autism, but it…

You have statistics even if 2 people. The probability of the result matters, if you have n=1 and cure cancer it would be incredibly stupid of you to claim it proves nothing.

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Post by michaelt »

Manfred wrote: post #24
nyc111 wrote: post #3

"The twins underwent behavioural analysis, speech therapy and a strict gluten-free diet and nutrition programme as part of the trial to reduce inflammation." "The diet was casein-free, a protein found in milk; low-sugar; had no artificial colours or dyes; zero ultra-processed foods; primarily organic; and locally sourced." Once again, this shows how important a balanced microbiome is for good lealth.

Let's say I almost got into an accident and I did two things: use my brakes and close my eyes. Does that mean that closing your eyes is good for curing a rash?

If you used your brakes and closed your eyes at the instruction of a researcher specialising in such accidents? And barely anyone had ever avoided such an accident before, making the researcher one of the world's leading experts?

Then maybe!

Re: Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report

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Post by mschuster91 »

raducu wrote: post #31
ddmf wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ABA is based on the same underlying research that gay conversion therapy uses.

I know from various empirical sources that ABA works way better than the alternatives. But how about the gay conversion therapy? Can anybody do any real science on that or any scientist that would touch the topic would have to say goodbye to his career?

> I know from various empirical sources that ABA works way better than the alternatives.

The question is which definition of "works" you're using. If you're defining "it works" as "the person is able to live in society", then yes, the victim of "classic" ABA may be a "member of society"... but if you include "the person is a mentally stable and healthy individual", then not.

Mentally, the victim will be completely broken and traumatized, often enough going through many suicide attempts until they succeed. ABA is torture, so is "gay/trans conversion therapy", and IMHO those advocating it, supporting it or tolerating it should be treated like everyone else involved with torture: lock them up, and in the USA where capital punishment is still on the books, go through with it.

Actual "behavioral therapy", aka teaching people with autism how to communicate their needs or how to manage frustration [1], is a completely different beast, and that actually works. Unfortunately, it's difficult to find out what "therapy" scheme will be used, and there's an awful lot of ABA peddlers out there.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/15jayxu/...

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