> leaked 131kt +/- 34kt of methane
> The eGHG potential of methane is 20x CO2 over 100 year timescale
It’s hard to not feel hopeless. Keep recycling your single use plastics, I guess we’ll be fine.
Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout
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You manage to make it look like no one can make a sane choice for themselves. Other countries can only do what we want (because WE want cheap products WE make them do bad stuff), and we can only do what they want (if they offer something that is cheaper then we automatically must buy it and not care about any damage or side-effects). It's a paradox isn't it? In reality it is government's choice, to go for short term…
> You manage to make it look like no one can make a sane choice for themselves. On average, the "sane" choice is to go for the cheapest option, or turn a blind eye to the child labor, etc. Sure, some people want to live ethically and minimize their emissions, but there's not enough of them. > In reality it is government's choice, to go for short term riches and maintaining power or act more ethically and think long t…
> On average, the "sane" choice is to go for the cheapest option, or turn a blind eye to the child labor, etc.
People choose option with maximum utility and it's never as simple as "cheapest" (see iPhones, "vegan cars" etc etc)
> Macron tried to tax fuel more and there were widespread protests
Many people would support the government making green choices. They are not the kinds of people who would go about ransacking streets. Most affected are probably farmers. Also, European taxes on fuel are already bigger than generally in the world, democracy is OK
> if you try to be ethical, you get voted out of office
Remember we are talking about China right?
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You explained wrong. literally no one uses coal as peaker ever, and they are building more coal plants than the rest of the world combined (the country is not even the most populous)
I can point to the data. Do you have anything to back yourself? Reputable sources? What are your convictions based on? > literally no one uses coal as peaker ever While these plants might be strained by having to adjust their output, they don’t need to have a long lifespan. On the current growth curve, 10 years max and batteries have taken over. As for China building things that are redundant, look at the ghost citie…
> Do you have anything to back yourself? Reputable sources?
I linked to sources about the number of coal plants being built before (eg https://www.carbonbrief.org/china-responsible-for-95-of-new-...), it's not controversial data.
You claimed "they are peaking plants". This is obviously wrong (how many peaking coal power plants are anywhere in the world, I'd be surprised if there's even one) and you have not provided any sources.
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Coriolis flow meters in natural gas have been accurate and pretty inexpensive since the 1990s with accuracies better than 99% on the extreme low end and 99.5% on the high end. Its easy to say that anything is 'too expensive' when the regulatory bar is set so low that it doesn't exist.
Right, you could put a combustible-gas-safe mass flow sensor on every gas line, high and low pressure, at a cost of roughly 100x current rotary and aperture flow meters, but then metering would become by far the largest cost in gas production.
Nope, Ex rated coriolis flowmeters are barely $150k.
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Right, you could put a combustible-gas-safe mass flow sensor on every gas line, high and low pressure, at a cost of roughly 100x current rotary and aperture flow meters, but then metering would become by far the largest cost in gas production.
Nope, Ex rated coriolis flowmeters are barely $150k.
A residential rotary gas meter costs less than €15, and that's the long tail you need to replace to measure losses accurately.
Edit: And current turbine and aperture flow meters cost hundreds.
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I can point to the data. Do you have anything to back yourself? Reputable sources? What are your convictions based on? > literally no one uses coal as peaker ever While these plants might be strained by having to adjust their output, they don’t need to have a long lifespan. On the current growth curve, 10 years max and batteries have taken over. As for China building things that are redundant, look at the ghost citie…
> Do you have anything to back yourself? Reputable sources? I linked to sources about the number of coal plants being built before (eg https://www.carbonbrief.org/china-responsible-for-95-of-new-... ), it's not controversial data. You claimed "they are peaking plants". This is obviously wrong (how many peaking coal power plants are anywhere in the world, I'd be surprised if there's even one) and you have not provided…
A plant doesn't have to be expressly a 'peaking' plant to drop it's capacity or increase it. All coal plants have this capability. Certainly it takes longer for coal plants to do this vs a dedicated gas peaker plant.
At any rate, the data plainly shows that the percentage share of renewable electricity in China is going up. I've never denied that coal plants are being built in China, but the data shows that China is using renewables in preference to other sources of energy, with a very clear and sustained growth rate.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-electricity-renewab...
And if you're still unconvinced, this article by Hannah Ritchie details the phenomenon much better than I can regurgitate it here.
https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/china-coal-plants
And that's it from me. Feel free to have the last word.
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> Do you have anything to back yourself? Reputable sources? I linked to sources about the number of coal plants being built before (eg https://www.carbonbrief.org/china-responsible-for-95-of-new-... ), it's not controversial data. You claimed "they are peaking plants". This is obviously wrong (how many peaking coal power plants are anywhere in the world, I'd be surprised if there's even one) and you have not provided…
A plant doesn't have to be expressly a 'peaking' plant to drop it's capacity or increase it. All coal plants have this capability. Certainly it takes longer for coal plants to do this vs a dedicated gas peaker plant. At any rate, the data plainly shows that the percentage share of renewable electricity in China is going up. I've never denied that coal plants are being built in China, but the data shows that China is…
It's not about coal plants being built, it's about how many are being built and long term planning behind it. This interview with Hannah shows how difficult it is to make China look good (it looks like she tries hard though, for some reason) https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/30/podcasts/transcript-ezra-....
They ban coal burning in houses and they move plants out of big cities where tourists go but they still build more and more plants. "oh but they'll use them less surely and burn less coal" would be great but sounds rosy
> using renewables in preference to other sources of energy, with a very clear and sustained growth rate.
Note that it's for electricity. How is it calculated? If it's used to power their pump based water energy storage then does it count? If it's used to heat then does it count? Does it rely on CCP provided metrics here while pollution, coal plants and fossil burning can be measured independently (just look at satellite based pollution map)
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On the order of 0. From what I read, we can expect a 1 degree increase if we release somewhere in the ballpark of 100 billion tons of CO2. Using those figures, 3.93 megatons is 0.0000393 degrees. As a point of comparison, humans release roughly 40 gigatons of CO2 per year; 3.93 megatons is 0.0098% of that. As another point of comparison, around 550 gigatons of CO2 is released (and absorbed) by the planet "naturally".…
> As another point of comparison, around 550 gigatons of CO2 is released (and absorbed) by the planet "naturally". So we are currently within 20% of what the planet does naturally, which seems not that bad actually.
40 / 550 is less than 10%. That's actually a huge number considering that the planet has an "equilibrium". Your actions can affect that balance and the whole planet goes into disarray. Not saying that's what will happen, though. The planet could also just absorb our extra CO2 (which is why it's becoming greener).
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I'm sure he has his motivations that he has internally justified and made sense of. Saying he has mental health issues because he supports Donald Trump because somehow Trump is pro oil and that'll massively hurt the EV industry sounds like a huge stretch, be honest. Even a casual reading of Elon a lot of us squint and make the conclusion that he supports Trump because he thinks it's what your country needs, heck like…
Why on earth do you think America needs Trump? I'm honestly interested in your opinion. Why do you say that? Even if as the other commenter said, it's about advancing business interests through bribes, it's a slippery, dangerous slope. Trump is the kind of person who might end up deciding his Son in Law should be running your company...based on his track record of appointing morons to high places. I really still can'…
Honestly, I think plain old sanity needs to prevail on some level to counteract the direction the US (and lots of the Western world) have been heading. And currently, sanity is taking the really weird form of Donald Trump and a lot of people are rallying behind him oddly. Do I like him? No, he's a weird dude and triggers a bunch of my own personal alarm bells. But if this is the only thing sanity can muster, then so be it. Obviously debate, processes, laws (!!), and discussions are not working (just look at the Biden thread happening right now on HN). Heck, one could arguably say that democratic processes such as majority-rule are also not working.
What exactly do you want a rational person to do? We have actual laws that are racist, and at the same time we have laws that are selectively enforced and ignored for political purposes. In that sort of environment, we're in the same field as dictatorships and when it comes time to protecting oneself and family, anything goes.
See where the debate is right now: You claim he might appoint his Son in Law as a form of nepotism. The other side counters with "but look at Hunter Biden, etc" and "Look how Biden appointed unqualified DEI hires, etc". It's all marketing spin, and we have no idea what's really happening. We're relying on trust and hearsay with N-levels of interpretation and motives to get to the truth.