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Sparrows may be 'canary in the coal mine' for lead poisoning in children: study

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Re: Sparrows may be 'canary in the coal mine' for lead poisoning in children: study

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> but the ability to influence decisions is mostly out of your reach. At least here little people can have some small control over their environment through small bribes This is mostly comforting nonsense. The average American has more say, potential and actual, in their government than the average Iranian. (And the average Iranian more than the Saudis.) What in a bribe economy one pays for with cash in a civil socie…

> The tragedy in American civics is far too many are too poor, tired and/or uneducated to fully engage. Engage with whom? First Past The Post voting ensures I have no viable political party to vote for that would reasonably represent me.

> First Past The Post voting ensures I have no viable political party to vote for that would reasonably represent me

Nobody does. In any system. There is always error in any heterogenous group. That isn't an exoneration of our two-party system. Just pointing out that not having a party that perfectly represents you is inherent to civilisation.

What issue do you care most about? Engage on that. With others who think similarly. That’s what engagement means. And due to the shocking lack of civic engagement, it’s ridiculously powerful. I have personally swung judicial elections in New York City by taking some tenant association heads to dinner. I’ve gotten language into state bills because nobody else called and it wasn’t one of my rep’s core issues. I did this before I made any money to speak of; in some sense, I had the time to engage for lack of money.

Re: Sparrows may be 'canary in the coal mine' for lead poisoning in children: study

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Right. It is worth noting that the total allowable cost of the recent UK election was 54k per seat per party, meaning that a political party could only spend 34M GBP contesting every Parliamentary seat. It would only take the top three House fundraisers to outstrip this number: https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/fundraising-t...

I don't disagree with the idea of limiting funding, but this is a bad comparison. You're talking about a campaign to reach about 50m voters, vs about 300m voters. You should probably at least adjust your UK figure accordingly, to make it reasonable.

The actual cap is 54k per seat, so it can scale. You can bring that number up or down as needed to adjust for the seat representation size in the US, but it is significantly below, say, Hakeem Jeffries raising $17M and Mike Johnson $13M.

The other bit is that the Parliament has more constituencies than the US House despite the House representing more people, so the number of people per House member is quite high. And that's not actually specified in the Constitution but a law that could be changed by Congress at any time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reapportionment_Act_of_1929

Re: Sparrows may be 'canary in the coal mine' for lead poisoning in children: study

#93

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I don't disagree with the idea of limiting funding, but this is a bad comparison. You're talking about a campaign to reach about 50m voters, vs about 300m voters. You should probably at least adjust your UK figure accordingly, to make it reasonable.

The actual cap is 54k per seat, so it can scale. You can bring that number up or down as needed to adjust for the seat representation size in the US, but it is significantly below, say, Hakeem Jeffries raising $17M and Mike Johnson $13M. The other bit is that the Parliament has more constituencies than the US House despite the House representing more people, so the number of people per House member is quite high. And…

> The other bit is that the Parliament has more constituencies than the US House

I was thinking of the total, not the per-seat amount, for this reason.

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#94

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> The tragedy in American civics is far too many are too poor, tired and/or uneducated to fully engage. Engage with whom? First Past The Post voting ensures I have no viable political party to vote for that would reasonably represent me.

> First Past The Post voting ensures I have no viable political party to vote for that would reasonably represent me Nobody does. In any system. There is always error in any heterogenous group. That isn't an exoneration of our two-party system. Just pointing out that not having a party that perfectly represents you is inherent to civilisation. What issue do you care most about? Engage on that. With others who think s…

> Nobody does. In any system

This is just denial of reality. Proportional representation gives you diverse representation.

In fact you have to address the growing evidence that voter preferences have no effect on American policy and lawmaking, you have to make a positive case that civil engagement is working.

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> If you can get to a polling station you have more influence than the average Iranian. Have you not been watching the news? Iran has proven itself to be at least better at performing like a democracy than most of our allies in the region, excepting maybe Turkey. Regardless, it's extremely difficult to wield real influence with a vote (or via advocating for any sort of elected official) as most problems are directly…

> Iran has proven itself to be at least better at performing like a democracy than most of our allies Sure. That wasn't the question. The comparison was between Iran and America, and whether being able to bribe people gives Iranians more power than Americans. It doesn't. > it's extremely difficult to wield real influence with a vote (or via advocating for any sort of elected official) as most problems are directly av…

> Go more local (and earlier, to primaries) and you see massive questions resolved with tens of votes, even in New York.

You have influence over local issues in dictatorships. Putin does not care or engage in zoning and other minor issues. They are open to influence by both residents and bribery.

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> collecting blood samples from people, especially children, can be difficult to conduct, and can raise significant logistical and ethical issues. Really? Children visit family doctors relatively often in my experience and taking a blood sample is a trivial and routine task for the nurse at my GP's surgery. What ethical issue is there?

> in my experience Well, that's all that counts then I guess, never mind the stated opinion of medical researchers in the field with broader experience. Christian Scientists and Jehovah’s Witnesses oppose blood transfusions and small town groups (which can be quite large in specific towns and non existant in others) can oppose blood samples also. Various indiginous groups within Australia and elsewhere can be opposed…

If they have numbers o support their supposed wider experience I'd love to see them.

You can always find someone opposed to something, that doesn't necessarily mean that the thing is impractical.

How was the blood extracted from the sparrows? There was a surprising lack of information about animal welfare in the article. People interested in that might be opposed to those medical tests too.

Re: Sparrows may be 'canary in the coal mine' for lead poisoning in children: study

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This is neat, but why can't they just test the children's blood directly? In Massachusetts 70% of all children aged 9 months to 4 years old had their blood tested for lead in 2022. I'm not sure what the national average is. https://www.mass.gov/doc/2022-annual-childhood-lead-poisonin... [PDF]

Because you can test the sparrows without having to raise an infant on the site. If you can demonstrate areas that are unsafe or illegal to raise children in, then perhaps people won't raise children there (or not, given we already know these mining towns are toxic and children raised in them will be victims of lead poisoning to various degrees). The reason they are testing children in the article is to confirm that…

Ah, makes sense given the population density in parts of Australia.
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