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"Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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This segmentation for two kinds of Android users is exactly the problem. If you are an IOS user, whether a poweruser or not, you will get the latest upgrade and a range of new features by default. This delights users, they don't have to care about the issue to be satisfied with the device. Perhaps I am lazy, perhaps I am somewhere in between those two archetypes you mention. I want to hold the device i buy before i b…

There are no power-IOS-users :)

I don't exactly know what you mean by this. At this stage both iOS and Android are limited compared to the abilities of a desktop.

What is considered tinkering is not necessarily being a power user.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Long time android owner and now Galaxy Nexus owner here: I... Hate... This... Phone... And here I could deliver a scathing rant about the camera locking up the phone and refusing to properly focus. Or I could go on about the constant gmail, navigator, and browser crashes, the horrid battery life (even in 3G with the "extended" battery) and yeesh I'll just stop here... And don't get me started about my Galaxy Tab 10.1…

Long time android owner and Galaxy Nexus owner here: I... Love... This... Phone... It takes beautiful pictures at an amazing speed, I get absolutely 0 crashes using multiple different applications, battery ALWAYS lasts at least the whole day no matter how hard I use it, and I love every single features ICS has to offer. I am in no way jealous of anything my iPhone friends can do with their phone and I will gladly buy…

Something is definitely wrong with his particular phone. I don't have any of those problems either.

If he's running a custom ROM he should find a better one or return to stock. If that's not the case, a warranty replacement is in order because something is definitely faulty with his hardware.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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Long time android owner and Galaxy Nexus owner here: I... Love... This... Phone... It takes beautiful pictures at an amazing speed, I get absolutely 0 crashes using multiple different applications, battery ALWAYS lasts at least the whole day no matter how hard I use it, and I love every single features ICS has to offer. I am in no way jealous of anything my iPhone friends can do with their phone and I will gladly buy…

You mean the scrolling is smooth for you? Edit: Key steps in writing that comparison table: 1. Whatever iOS 6 has and ICS does not, list it to be on ICS via third party. 2. Don't do third party additions on the iOS 6 column as if there are no third party apps on that platform. Might as well say, "Android is open-source and since the phones are Turing machines Android does everything ever possible by a computer throug…

ICS scrolling is smooth and responsive for me, even on rather lower-end devices. Gingerbread definitely had some scrolling issues, but they've pretty much been fixed.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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This thread encapsulates everything wrong with the tech industry in one handy page. A flame bait OP, a bunch of fanboien leaping in to defend their favorite platform. Lots of rehashing of the Same Tired Old Arguments yet again, followed by the Standard Polemic Reply to those arguments, and the inevitable Ridiculous Digression Justifying Original Opinion. I swear, I got started out the top and realized I was about to downvote the whole thing before giving up.

Look folks: Smartphones (I guess I should say "iPhone-style smartphones", as the term existed long before that, but was used for devices that aren't meaningfully comparable) are now 5 years old, and are becoming a mature technology. We're at the stage now where desktop GUIs were in, say, 1991. The competing platforms have reached feature parity, and there aren't many great advances left to distinguish them in the near future (until the next big disruptive change, anyway).

So while the OP is flamebait, I think the point is mostly valid. iOS 6 looks pretty tame compared to its recent ancestors.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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This is the old bullet-list fallacy. Quality is simply a measure of the bullet list of features, and no attempt is made to what is behind the items on the bullet list. Remember when the first iPhone was announced? The bullet list after it was announced had touchscreen at the top of the list, so every manufacturer thought that all they had to do was add a touch screen to their existing platform, and hordes of just lik…

> Remember when the first iPhone was announced? The bullet list after > it was announced had touchscreen at the top of the list No, the LG Prada was ripped off by the iPhone. Don't let apple fanboys rewrite tech history. Same with the iPod. Sure, it was a more polished product, but they were not the first with the feature set. Apple rarely is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)#iPhone_controv...

So Apple saw some photos of the LG Prada and then in a few short months designed touch screen-only hardware and all the software?

This assumption that before-after implies cause-effect is one of the worst logical fallacies.

Microsoft was first to mass market tablets. So Apple "copied" them 10 years later, and somehow succeeded where Microsoft failed? Microsoft invented the idea of a tablet-like computing device?

Google invented the idea of a notification system? Of turn-by-turn navigation?

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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>ICS ecosystem is almost vaporware, it is supposed to be the best release yet, but i actually never saw it. Maybe its the best thing since sliced bread, but if nobody uses it, what exactly is the point?! Your chances of getting ICS on your legacy device are virtually zero. whereas getting IOS 6 on the iphone 4S is assured. There are two kinds of Android users in this world - those who care about this issue, and those…

Long time android owner and now Galaxy Nexus owner here: I... Hate... This... Phone... And here I could deliver a scathing rant about the camera locking up the phone and refusing to properly focus. Or I could go on about the constant gmail, navigator, and browser crashes, the horrid battery life (even in 3G with the "extended" battery) and yeesh I'll just stop here... And don't get me started about my Galaxy Tab 10.1…

Your choices are:

1. Have a phone/tablet you don't like and complain about it

2. Get a different phone/tablet that you do like.

3. Install a custom ROM.

I have a Galaxy Nexus and the Tab 10.1. Installing AOKP made a huge difference, regarding the things you mentioned and many more. My Tab 10.1 is a great tablet now because of it, and I hated TouchWiz while I had it.

Latest milestone: http://aokp.co/index.php/releases/_/milestone-5-r20 RootzWiki thread about it: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/19302-aokp-toro-june-4-build-38-4...

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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there is no requirement for new devices to install the newest version. No, but only the really low-end Android phones are coming out with 2.x anymore and that number is going to dwindle quickly over the next year. And ICS is not as crucial as some people make it out to be since 2.x is a decent platform already and a lot of features have been backported.

Only the really low-end Android phones and the Galaxy S2 and the Galaxy Note and the Motorola Droid 4 and others.. So yeah, only the low-end phones.

All three of those are confirmed to be getting Ice Cream Sandwich.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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there is no requirement for new devices to install the newest version. No, but only the really low-end Android phones are coming out with 2.x anymore and that number is going to dwindle quickly over the next year. And ICS is not as crucial as some people make it out to be since 2.x is a decent platform already and a lot of features have been backported.

Only the really low-end Android phones and the Galaxy S2 and the Galaxy Note and the Motorola Droid 4 and others.. So yeah, only the low-end phones.

The international versions of the S2 and the Note have already been updated to ICS, as have many of the carrier versions (the AT&T Note and Epic 4G Touch, at least).

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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It's hard to compare getting ICS on legacy phones to getting iOS 6 on your iPhone 4S. Of course, first gen Android devices aren't going to be able to run ICS, but neither will first gen iOS devices. iOS 6 is not going to be on the original iPad, the original iPhone or the iPhone 3G.

I bought a Galaxy SII last October - about a week or so before the Galaxy Nexus was released - and here I am without an ICS. T-Mobile JUST announced support for it, saying it would be here within a week. The only update I have received was a patch update, with minor UI changes. Even depending upon CyanogenMod has failed me. T-Mobile loves getting non-standard devices and then not releasing drivers that could help boo…

You'll have ICS before iPhone users have iOS6.

Re: "Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6"

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It's really unfair to call what the 3GS gets "iOS 6." Apple's been doing this for awhile; calling maintenance upgrades mainline upgrades while not actually delivering all the features. Keep in mind the problem of vendor recalcitrance is much less of an issue for an interested Android user. You can literally reflash your phone to a mod with an app from your phone. You don't even necessarily need to plug it in to anyth…

interested Android user That's a pretty packed up qualification there. Users that interested are not, have not been, and will not be par for the course on the Android platform. Moreover, the in-app phone flashing is not something every Android phone can do. I speak from experience owning an Android phone that wouldn't play ball in this regard.

> That's a pretty packed up qualification there. Users that interested are not, have not been, and will not be par for the course on the Android platform.

If this is the metric, then do you think the average iPhone user cares about what version of iOS they have? So many iPhone users are shocked when you walk up and double tap on the home button.

For the people who care on Android, there is a way to upgrade. For the people who don't care, there change is meaningless.

While this is a dog's dinner compared to the great adoption rates on new phones and new versions of iOS, it's worth mentioning.

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