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Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by energy123 »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #40
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #21

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> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...

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China has emitted much less in absolute since the industrial revolution, less per capita today, they're poor, they're rapidly building out renewables faster than anyone, they're powering the world's transition to renewables with the cheapest solar panels and batteries, they're expected to hit their coal peak in the next two years, Xi has made it a publicly stated policy priority recently to decarbonise their economy, and they're the world's manufacturer which means their economy has to play on hard mode relative to a service economy like the US.

It's wrong to point the finger at them as some kind of uniquely bad actor. Yes they have to decarbonise, but so does everyone at at the same time, and this bad faith argument keeps being resurrected as an excuse to do nothing at home.

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Post by forgetfreeman »

marcosdumay wrote: post #98
potsandpans wrote: post #65

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This data is good for cognitive behavioral therapy and not much else. In that, the world is certainly not going to end, and maybe it's helpful to look at some data that trends positive in order to inspire hope. But we are committed now to living in a world that will be radically different and less pleasant for a lot of people. How fast these trends improve will determine the scope and magnitude of degraded pleasentne…

> But we are committed now to living in a world that will be radically different and less pleasant for a lot of people. Committed? We will have extra energy for carbon capture on the next decade. This is a problem we can solve. Not before it gets worse, but we can stop it from being permanent.

Great, now we need viable large scale carbon capture technology and enough loose funds to bribe an industry into existence globally. That 2nd part is the real trick.

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Post by Qwertious »

h0l0cube wrote: post #109
card_zero wrote: post #67

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It's great if China is genuinely going renewable. I read about this often. But I also read that they're the biggest producers of coal (confusingly both the biggest importers and exporters, and consumers). Still, maybe that's being phased out. But why do you want to "slice up" emissions at all, if you're interested in reducing them? The problem is a big load of gas. So identify the biggest emitters (in total volume )…

> But I also read that they're the biggest producers of coal (confusingly both the biggest importers and exporters, and consumers). Yep. And their coal plants are less and less needed. They are essentially becoming peakers (in the same manner as many modern gas plants) for when the sun don't shine and the wind stops blowing. But in terms of the biggest producers of coal, Australia punches above its weight, but rarely…

>Australia punches above its weight, but rarely does anyone single it out in these discussions. They also are the second biggest per-capita consumers in terms of CO2 emissions.

Our (Australia's) fuckwit right-wing politicians love to blame climate change on China and the USA, because their absolute emissions are way higher than ours and "we emit less than 1% of the world's emissions" so us taking the first step is pointless (says THEM).

Also, because our coal is relatively clean they say that stopping coal mining would actually make emissions worse, because then everyone would just switch to much more polluting foreign coal.

Every American in this thread who says " have the most emissions, they need to reduce their CO2 output" needs to understand that the same logic can be and is used against them to justify us doing fuck-all about the climate. Stop enabling our fuckwits!

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Post by forgetfreeman »

bagels wrote: post #52
redserk wrote: post #32

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The article was written in 2019 before a number of extraordinarily significant events with major climate policy impacts: - a noticeable and rapid dip in emissions has proven to be viable due to COVID lockdowns - Russia’s invasion of Ukraine forced Europe and the US to accelerate plans to diversify energy generation away from natural gas - China’s insanely rapid growth in green energy production domestically It seems…

Viable? Effective at reducing emissions, but is stopping all industrial output viable?

Depends on your appetite for making the money sad.

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Post by Qwertious »

downrightmike wrote: post #104
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #89

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More people live in China and India. Their government is doing a better job at keeping emissions down, per person. Pollution doesn't care where you live.

According to a 2016 study, electricity theft and fraud in India can account for almost 20% of the country's total electricity generation. Other sources have reported that the percentage of lost electricity due to theft can range from 20% to 50%. Electricity theft can be a result of poor governance, and power distribution companies (discoms) that are already in debt can face significant losses. Some say that the gover…

So tl;dr the Indian govt should be less corrupt. I think phasing out their coal plants would be a far easier and more realistic task to tackle.

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Post by geysersam »

redserk wrote: post #32
darkteflon wrote: post #10

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Not even close. https://jonathanfranzen.com/what-if-we-stopped-pretending/

The article was written in 2019 before a number of extraordinarily significant events with major climate policy impacts: - a noticeable and rapid dip in emissions has proven to be viable due to COVID lockdowns - Russia’s invasion of Ukraine forced Europe and the US to accelerate plans to diversify energy generation away from natural gas - China’s insanely rapid growth in green energy production domestically It seems…

If anything the Russian invasion of Ukraine diverted attention away from climate change to defence. Look at how many countries in Europe took the opportunity to cut climate progressive policies to reduce fuel prices during the price crunch after the invasion. The prices were temporarily inflated, and affected groups could have been supported by other means, but instead green policies were targeted and you bet they will not be re-introduced any time soon.

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Post by geysersam »

marcosdumay wrote: post #98
potsandpans wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This data is good for cognitive behavioral therapy and not much else. In that, the world is certainly not going to end, and maybe it's helpful to look at some data that trends positive in order to inspire hope. But we are committed now to living in a world that will be radically different and less pleasant for a lot of people. How fast these trends improve will determine the scope and magnitude of degraded pleasentne…

> But we are committed now to living in a world that will be radically different and less pleasant for a lot of people. Committed? We will have extra energy for carbon capture on the next decade. This is a problem we can solve. Not before it gets worse, but we can stop it from being permanent.

Stop living in a fantasy. Direct air carbon capture can never be more efficient than just not burning fossile fuels in the first place.

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by geysersam »

glenstein wrote: post #95
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...

>China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita Which would be great if CO2's heat trapping properties depended on the per capita emissions of their nation of origin. Unfortunately CO2 molecules don't know where they came from and can't adjust their heat trapping properties accordingly, and instead it's about absolute amounts as ppm of the atmosphere. But there's a silver lining for China and India - which is…

Just no. In terms of bang for buck it's easier to reduce emissions in rich countries with high emissions per capita.

Unless by "buck" you mean the number of decisions that need to be made, but that's hardly the limiting factor.

Country sizes are arbitrary. With your logic if China was to split into a bunch of smaller nations their emissions wouldn't matter any more? Per-capita emissions is the only reasonable way to measure.

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