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Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by h0l0cube »

magicalhippo wrote: post #41
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...

> and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. Any estimate of how much that constitutes? Like if US and EU had to produce themselves all the stuff they now get from China, how would their CO2 emissions change?

Emissions embedded in trade

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-tra...

Trade adjusted emissions per capita

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit...

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by bagels »

redserk wrote: post #32
darkteflon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even close. https://jonathanfranzen.com/what-if-we-stopped-pretending/

The article was written in 2019 before a number of extraordinarily significant events with major climate policy impacts: - a noticeable and rapid dip in emissions has proven to be viable due to COVID lockdowns - Russia’s invasion of Ukraine forced Europe and the US to accelerate plans to diversify energy generation away from natural gas - China’s insanely rapid growth in green energy production domestically It seems…

Viable? Effective at reducing emissions, but is stopping all industrial output viable?

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by ianburrell »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #26
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...

Per capita is misleading. China has over 1 billion people more than the US, the majority of them in abject poverty. Same for India; so their per capita number is artificially skewed downward.

Are you a time traveler from 1990? China effectively doesn't have anyone in extreme poverty ($1.50/day). They have about the same or lower rate than the US. They do have people in poverty, 24% below $5.50/day ($2000/yr) line.

India has also decreased extreme poverty, down to 2% in 2023. At $3.20/day, they declined to 21%. At $5.50, they are at 81%. Most people are poor, but less poor than they were.

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by h0l0cube »

anonym29 wrote: post #44
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...

They collectively still emit substantially more than the US and Western Europe, and much more importantly, GHG emissions have been declining in the US and Western Europe for over two decades. In that same time period, they have done nothing but grow rapidly in China and India. All the information we have so far suggests that India will continue to grow rapidly in this regard even after China plateaus on carbon emissi…

> We can play semantic games with per-capita consumption, but the fact of the matter remains that even if the entirety of the planet, except China and India, went 100% carbon neutral overnight, it would still be impossible to avoid hitting catastrophic climate change thresholds due to GHG emissions from those two countries alone.

Of all the countries China is doing the most to curb its emissions.

> Global annual renewable capacity additions increased by almost 50% to nearly 510 gigawatts (GW) in 2023, the fastest growth rate in the past two decades. [..] In 2023, China commissioned as much solar PV as the entire world did in 2022, while its wind additions also grew by 66% year-on-year. Globally, solar PV alone accounted for three-quarters of renewable capacity additions worldwide.

https://www.iea.org/reports/renewables-2023/executive-summar...

The western world is shifting away from China to India and the rest of Asia for manufacturing, so I think the desire for cheaper products and ‘national security’ are going to increase emissions somewhat. But even still, with the glut of renewables, and soon the glut of batteries, emissions free energy is going to be the cheapest option for manufacturing anyway

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by h0l0cube »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #40
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...

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Of all the countries China is doing the most to curb its emissions. Not sure what else you expect them to do

> Global annual renewable capacity additions increased by almost 50% to nearly 510 gigawatts (GW) in 2023, the fastest growth rate in the past two decades. [..] In 2023, China commissioned as much solar PV as the entire world did in 2022, while its wind additions also grew by 66% year-on-year. Globally, solar PV alone accounted for three-quarters of renewable capacity additions worldwide.

https://www.iea.org/reports/renewables-2023/executive-summar...

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Post by card_zero »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #48
486sx33 wrote: post #35

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Irresponsibly growing your population doesn’t allow you more emissions, that’s crap!

Not sure if your answer is intended to be serious or sarcastic. But there is a justifiable argument for it -- you have new humans to take care of, who have needs, and the same moral claim as anyone else in the world nto address those needs using fossil fuels. On the other hand, there's no reason to think that an increase in the number of countries is a valid excuse to increase emissions.

Leading to the conclusion: those few people (government) who have the greatest influence over the problem (over the countries with the largest emissions in real terms, not per person) somehow don't have the responsibility.

It's true that if a country splits into two countries, that doesn't give them a right to emit more collectively. However, it does mean that each country now has little control over what the other one does, and less ability to actually solve the collective problem we want solving, which was the objective here.

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Post by [deleted] »

anonym29 wrote: post #17
linotype wrote: post #4

We’re not going to make it are we?

Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US for free, we are not going to avoid catastrophic global warming. The good news is, while we may not be able to prevent climate change, we are not powerless against it. The Dutch know how to win the fight against sea level rise. Middle Eastern architecture knows how to keep people cool even with >50°C air tempera…

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Post by b59831 »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #33
ars wrote: post #15

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We'll be fine. We'll have to make adjustments, but we'll be fine. So will the planet, and so will the vast majority of animals.

Hmm, I'm really not sure about that. There are events in the geological record in which the vast majority of animals were not fine, and I'm not convinced that humans would be among those that make it, adjustments or not.

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Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by h0l0cube »

486sx33 wrote: post #35
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that misleading? That doesn't sound like "artificial skew" to me.

Irresponsibly growing your population doesn’t allow you more emissions, that’s crap!

China’s population has reached a plateau

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/population-and-demograp...

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Post by [deleted] »

sadhorse wrote: post #11
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #9

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We will but not at our current numbers. Rich countries will suffer the most.

How so? Huge flooding in Brazil this year, they are not recovering any time soon. Poor countries lack the resources that rich countries literally burn for their luxury.

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