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Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by thinkcontext »

Better satellites and other aerial survey data has determined that oil and gas related methane emissions are far, far higher than industry reports. Everywhere independent researchers look along the production, transmission, distribution and end use pipeline they find more leakage than has been assumed because industry has provided the numbers the assumptions are based on for years.

Along some particularly leaky production paths methane emissions are so great that the impact is greater than coal over 100 year timescale. For example, some parts of NM Permian have a 9% (!) leakage rate. When combusted methane releases about half the amount of CO2 that coal does. The eGHG potential of methane is 20x CO2 over 100 year timescale, so you have to add 180% to the total GHG potential, making it 40% worse than coal w/o even considering other leakage along the pipeline.

https://sustainability.stanford.edu/news/methane-leaks-are-f...

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by redserk »

darkteflon wrote: post #10
linotype wrote: post #4

We’re not going to make it are we?

Not even close. https://jonathanfranzen.com/what-if-we-stopped-pretending/

The article was written in 2019 before a number of extraordinarily significant events with major climate policy impacts:

- a noticeable and rapid dip in emissions has proven to be viable due to COVID lockdowns

- Russia’s invasion of Ukraine forced Europe and the US to accelerate plans to diversify energy generation away from natural gas

- China’s insanely rapid growth in green energy production domestically

It seems like 2022 CO2 levels are near 2019 CO2 levels[1], which is impressive.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

ars wrote: post #15
linotype wrote: post #4

We’re not going to make it are we?

We'll be fine. We'll have to make adjustments, but we'll be fine. So will the planet, and so will the vast majority of animals.

Hmm, I'm really not sure about that. There are events in the geological record in which the vast majority of animals were not fine, and I'm not convinced that humans would be among those that make it, adjustments or not.

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by 486sx33 »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #21
anonym29 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US for free, we are not going to avoid catastrophic global warming. The good news is, while we may not be able to prevent climate change, we are not powerless against it. The Dutch know how to win the fight against sea level rise. Middle Eastern architecture knows how to keep people cool even with >50°C air tempera…

> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...

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Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by 486sx33 »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #29
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per capita is misleading. China has over 1 billion people more than the US, the majority of them in abject poverty. Same for India; so their per capita number is artificially skewed downward.

Why is that misleading? That doesn't sound like "artificial skew" to me.

Irresponsibly growing your population doesn’t allow you more emissions, that’s crap!

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Post by 486sx33 »

jncfhnb wrote: post #28
anonym29 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US for free, we are not going to avoid catastrophic global warming. The good news is, while we may not be able to prevent climate change, we are not powerless against it. The Dutch know how to win the fight against sea level rise. Middle Eastern architecture knows how to keep people cool even with >50°C air tempera…

Who knows how to handle a billion refugees?

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Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by wmanley »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #21
anonym29 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US for free, we are not going to avoid catastrophic global warming. The good news is, while we may not be able to prevent climate change, we are not powerless against it. The Dutch know how to win the fight against sea level rise. Middle Eastern architecture knows how to keep people cool even with >50°C air tempera…

> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...

Yes to India and the USA. China and Europe are roughly on par.

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by bwestergard »

ars wrote: post #18
sadhorse wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? Huge flooding in Brazil this year, they are not recovering any time soon. Poor countries lack the resources that rich countries literally burn for their luxury.

Say Brazil floods this year, and next year, and the year after that. What do you think will happen next? What will happen is Brazil will start planning for it, and then they'll be fine. There will be an adjustment period, and then, life goes on.

Huh? Of course life goes on, but it will be a more resource constrained life, and that will make political negotiations more difficult. If those aren't implications worth worrying about, what would be?

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by colordrops »

redserk wrote: post #32
darkteflon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even close. https://jonathanfranzen.com/what-if-we-stopped-pretending/

The article was written in 2019 before a number of extraordinarily significant events with major climate policy impacts: - a noticeable and rapid dip in emissions has proven to be viable due to COVID lockdowns - Russia’s invasion of Ukraine forced Europe and the US to accelerate plans to diversify energy generation away from natural gas - China’s insanely rapid growth in green energy production domestically It seems…

Ok, but weren't 2019 levels really bad? These are nice developments but really tiny in comparison to what needs to be done to stop progression.

Re: Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout

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Post by bcrosby95 »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #21
anonym29 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US for free, we are not going to avoid catastrophic global warming. The good news is, while we may not be able to prevent climate change, we are not powerless against it. The Dutch know how to win the fight against sea level rise. Middle Eastern architecture knows how to keep people cool even with >50°C air tempera…

> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...

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