There is going to be a point in the climate change phenomenon where we have to start taking aggressive measures and actually go after the biggest polluters no matter what nation they hide behind. Especially considering there will probably be forces working to undermine all of these climate goals. Maybe the US could throw some of that military budget around and use Seal team sappers to disable these polluting industrial plants? Now before people get guarded at that idea, just consider the US already does the same to kill actual people with such operations. Merely disabling infrastructure not only has some precedent, but also seems far more benign to me.
Multisatellite data depicts a record-breaking methane leak from a well blowout
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How so? Huge flooding in Brazil this year, they are not recovering any time soon. Poor countries lack the resources that rich countries literally burn for their luxury.
Say Brazil floods this year, and next year, and the year after that. What do you think will happen next? What will happen is Brazil will start planning for it, and then they'll be fine. There will be an adjustment period, and then, life goes on.
This is what people don’t get about places like Florida. The people in Florida are in fact aware that it storms and floods, thats why the house is built on stilts with metal storm shutters.
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Why is that misleading? That doesn't sound like "artificial skew" to me.
Irresponsibly growing your population doesn’t allow you more emissions, that’s crap!
Which county, China or the USofA, had an enforced one child per couple policy for many decades?
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#76I wonder if these types of events were taken into account in those models for climate change.
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> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...
> and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. Any estimate of how much that constitutes? Like if US and EU had to produce themselves all the stuff they now get from China, how would their CO2 emissions change?
Those numbers are from 2016. Numbers from 2022 have China ahead of the EU with them heading in the opposite direction.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-ghg-emissions?...
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#78I wonder if these types of events were taken into account in those models for climate change.
I really hope so.
So glad I'm installing solar this year, I'm thinking about building a car port and adding even more panels too.
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#79Better satellites and other aerial survey data has determined that oil and gas related methane emissions are far, far higher than industry reports. Everywhere independent researchers look along the production, transmission, distribution and end use pipeline they find more leakage than has been assumed because industry has provided the numbers the assumptions are based on for years. Along some particularly leaky produ…
In Massachusetts, Lost and Unaccounted for Gas (LAUG) is estimated per mile of pipe, rather than evaluated by regulators or even industry. It is a simple multiplication problem with little bearing on reality. Consumers bear the cost of LAUG while the utilities are guaranteed a 10% profit on their infrastructure expenses. This, along with subsidies for leak prone pipe replacement, leads to needless investment in outmo…
Meanwhile in California, PG&E underfunded maintenance, perhaps because regulators squeezed too hard? Eventually we had things like the San Bruno gas explosion and wildfires so bad that PG&E went bankrupt.
Finding the optimal amount of regulation seems difficult. It seems like too blunt an instrument. Incentives are no substitute for technical people who want to do what's right.
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#80We’re not going to make it are we?
Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US for free, we are not going to avoid catastrophic global warming. The good news is, while we may not be able to prevent climate change, we are not powerless against it. The Dutch know how to win the fight against sea level rise. Middle Eastern architecture knows how to keep people cool even with >50°C air tempera…
India is a peculiar case because they're, so so so affected by climate change that it's suicide NOT to stop emitting on such a large scale.
Yes we're all susceptible to climate change effects but India, that place gets next level hot.