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Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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esafak wrote: post #3
jamal-kumar wrote: post #2

I think it's worth noting why this is happening. The country has been giving out degrees and jobs to people who instead of working and studying hard, to descendants of veterans in the country's war against pakistan, and this level of nepotism has been going on since the 70s which as you can easily imagine is not great for those who see the value in getting these "basic livelihood for hard work" things. So when people…

People who run a country into the ground are happy to maintain the status quo as long as they're getting their share? Who knew!?

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Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by lostlogin »

Foofoobar12345 wrote: post #48
TulliusCicero wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ideally protests should be peaceful. Other people in the thread are saying that Bangladesh is a dictatorship, and security forces are killing people for protesting. Just to be clear, if that's the case, violence against the state is entirely justified. There is nothing morally wrong about rebelling against autocracy, in fact, it's quite a good thing.

It’s easy to encourage this when there’s nothing at stake. I personally have friends and family who are trapped and fear violent protestors as much as violent police. And when the protests die down in a few days or weeks, there will be even fewer jobs. And the attacks aren’t against the state but against the people as well.

Where is the line? Who people support and who a company supports all becomes relevant in a civil war.

Quite how this gets resolved is beyond me - the west has been quite happy to enjoy products from sweat shops, so is probably complicit.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by alephnerd »

hackerlytest wrote: post #14

Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

> Now the fascist gov has closed all internet

I agree that Sheikh Hasina is extremely authoritarian and corrupt dictator but imo JeI are the actual fascists, and the BNP has absolutely been enabling them.

That said, I agree with you that Hasina's authoritarianism needs to end.

Ideally all these old fossils (Hasina, Zia, Rahman, etc) need to be purged and the actual youth (who are the majority of Bangladesh) get a chance to have their voice in power.

It's a handful of elite 70 year olds who have been running a country where the median age is 25 and are ruining it due to their own personal drama from the 70s and 80s.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by jfax »

xeromal wrote: post #47
dakiol wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Can you name a first world country that gives out 40% of the public sector jobs to veterans or their children?

The UK House of Lords has a quota of 92 hereditary peers, descendants of Norman conquerors.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by InitialLastName »

TyrianPurple wrote: post #22

When governments do such things, expect bad results. The protesters' demands aren't unreasonable at all. Just be meritocratic in civil service appointments.

Yep, it's easy. Just flip the "off" switch on the privilege structure that a huge chunk of the people who operate your society benefit from (and expect their children to benefit from). What could possibly go wrong?

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by Rinzler89 »

xeromal wrote: post #47
dakiol wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Can you name a first world country that gives out 40% of the public sector jobs to veterans or their children?

Sure. In Romania, a lot of public sector jobs (the easy, influential or well paying ones) are given out only via nepotism and political connections, usually to descendants and connections of the former communist party high-ups and former members of the military/intelligence services who now own and run lucrative businesses (monopolies for the state) and their kids are usually in charge of the business or in politics cutting the deals to enable them.

There's just no explicit quota system like in Bangladesh, but everything is done in the shadows under the table, and the economy and freedom is good enough that people won't bother revolting over it (again), but everyone knows it's happening. I think it's similar all over the Balkans, Former Yugoslav and former USSR countries.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by alephnerd »

david_shi wrote: post #4
jamal-kumar wrote: post #2

I think it's worth noting why this is happening. The country has been giving out degrees and jobs to people who instead of working and studying hard, to descendants of veterans in the country's war against pakistan, and this level of nepotism has been going on since the 70s which as you can easily imagine is not great for those who see the value in getting these "basic livelihood for hard work" things. So when people…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Chhatra_League The ruling party seems to be allied with a student paramilitary to help act as their enforcers. "Chhatra League distributes dormitory seats at Chittagong University instead of authorities. Only those who join Chhatra League after being enrolled, get the chance to stay in the residential halls."

Slight quibble - the student paramilitary IS part of Hasina's party (BAP).

It's the student wing.

In South Asia, all party student wings are basically paramilitaries and gangs.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Post by alephnerd »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #58
xeromal wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a first world country that gives out 40% of the public sector jobs to veterans or their children?

Sure. In Romania, a lot of public sector jobs (the easy, influential or well paying ones) are given out only via nepotism and political connections, usually to descendants and connections of the former communist party high-ups and former members of the military/intelligence services who now own and run lucrative businesses (monopolies for the state) and their kids are usually in charge of the business or in politics…

Not to be that guy but Romania isn't "first world" (yet).

It's still very much developing imo.

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