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My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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it's good to see a little person having fun with all this technocrap that us grognards have gotten so bitter about over the years/decades. :) i hope she continues to have a blast! (from the dedication page in SICP:) “I think that it’s extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and t…

I miss the fun in software development in the workplace. Something has changed. When I started 20+ years ago, people would get excited about something new they learned and rush to tell other people about it. Now everybody is grim, too busy grinding and "managing their visibility" to show any pleasure. If it was just me and my friends who were joyless now, I'd chalk it up to us getting old, but my coworkers who are th…

We have access to too much information about how to do things better and the tools to do those things, so the focus winds up on retraining and optimising rather than just dumping something out there and abandoning it.

Flash sucked but everyone knew it sucked and that you could kind of force it to do a lot of things.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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It doesnt help that current quality of life is pretty grim, downright terrible if youre young, heck even if youre pushing into middle age. Possibly beyond but I dont have as much perspective for that demographic. things that give you the mental resources to take the time to have fun with things are simply not avaliable to most of us these days. As a simple example, young folks have near no chance of ever owning a hom…

I don't know. It's not hard to buy a home if you're an American software engineer though, and aren't tied to the bay area or NYC. There are even places commuting distance from NYC where you can get a $250k single family freestanding home. A few years ago I lived for a while in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It was pretty easy to find a $110k software job that was pretty chill and well, not so exciting or conducive for the ambitiou…

I'm in Pittsburgh right now and struggling to buy a house. Everything on the market are estates and get bought within a week of listing. This past one I put an offer on was sold in less than 24hrs of posting...

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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The pages load responsively, there are no apparent bugs in the code, the organization is coherent and sensical, and the writing is concise and conveys both information and the unique voice and personality of the author

This is a better-made website than like 95% of the internet, generously

I like the cut of your kid's jib. Excellent work

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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I would not assume they’re miserable because I probably would have the same reaction if I was them. We have just been bombarded with so much technology and advancements in the past two decades that it really takes a lot to impress us. We’ve had ppl conputing, smartphones, electric cars, semi-autonomous driving, VR and ChatGPT. A tool that parses Parquet is very very low in the totem pole, compared to all the new tech…

It doesnt help that current quality of life is pretty grim, downright terrible if youre young, heck even if youre pushing into middle age. Possibly beyond but I dont have as much perspective for that demographic. things that give you the mental resources to take the time to have fun with things are simply not avaliable to most of us these days. As a simple example, young folks have near no chance of ever owning a hom…

I'm mid-20s and while it's not all shiny I'd hesitate to call it grim. Maybe it's naivety but my current lodging isn't at risk of being bombed.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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When I started using the web, this is what all pages looked like and tons and tons of people had personal ones just like this. It was so great. I used to love touring all the self expression. Not quite the first, but this is how mine looked in '98: https://web.archive.org/web/19981205195643/http://www.justki...

Linked in there you have https://web.archive.org/web/19981206221926/http://www.msyste... which would be an amazing post on it’s own. I had no idea people were already doing smart home things 26 years ago!

A solid 70% of pop up ads in 1999 were for X-10 systems.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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It is almost a shame modern browsers no longer support all the fun layout patterns of ol' FRAMESET. There was a layout tool to cut your teeth on (possibly literally the way it was made out of browser chrome).

Not that I necessarily advocate for frameset insanity, but you know what? That is a shame. My controversial (?) opinion is that browsers should literally never break anything that was once a part of the web platform unless there's simply no other choice. If the size of it is getting too big... first, stop adding more shit. (And then maybe, implement some old features in terms of some newer ones. Not really "web platf…

I can't agree with this, because it creates a "barrier of entry" for people building new browsers. Old things should deprecate when new things do them better, and deprecated things should phase out.

Otherwise, we're stuck with Chrome Forever. I'd rather not.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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I showed my kid (also around that age) how you could have fun with PRINT statements in C64 BASIC. He really enjoyed it and just the idea alone that you could control the computer instead of it being a black box. Perhaps a website could be fun too. But HTML 3.2 was much more friendly to beginners than everything that is out there now.

HTML 3.2 is still out there! Just use it.

Re: My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website

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Not that I necessarily advocate for frameset insanity, but you know what? That is a shame. My controversial (?) opinion is that browsers should literally never break anything that was once a part of the web platform unless there's simply no other choice. If the size of it is getting too big... first, stop adding more shit. (And then maybe, implement some old features in terms of some newer ones. Not really "web platf…

Framesets still work as far as I know, they're just no longer recommended for a few reasons. Browsers already try very hard to never ever break anything, at least not anything that's been commonly supported for years or has made it into a standard. The main places browsers have broken compatibility with old content are related to plugins like Flash and Silverlight, which were always controlled by a single vendor inst…

> at least not anything that's been commonly supported for years or has made it into a standard.

It's more: has made it into a standard and was commonly supported.

Sadly, the browsers aren't trying hard enough not to break anything. They are trying hard not to break anything standard, but the problem with that is that the standards can change, or that some things can be claimed to never have been standards all along. A bunch of IE/Netscape things have broken already such as BLINK and MARQUEE, despite being common enough to "feel" standard even though yes they were never actually standards. Also, as we've seen with the MathML battle in recent years, even standards aren't guaranteed to be kept in browsers if not "commonly supported".

The MDN deprecation warning on FRAMESET:

> Deprecated: This feature is no longer recommended. Though some browsers might still support it, it may have already been removed from the relevant web standards, may be in the process of being dropped, or may only be kept for compatibility purposes.

The browser support table says that every browser still currently supports FRAMESET with simple COLS and ROWS, but as I recall FRAMESET used to also support more complicated layout tools. My brain recalls it as being very similar to TABLE layout at one point in time that you could also have (limited) COLSPAN and ROWSPAN options. Such things may also have been IE/Netscape era "non-standards". If I had examples, they are probably lost to time. Similarly, with nearly no way to easily search in today's indexes for things specifically from the 1990s I can't think of a good way to find old examples either. It's also possibly my memory is just failing me on this and the crazy things I recall doing with framesets were just table layouts after all and maybe iframes, but I do recall doing some crazy things in the 90s that certainly aren't "standard" today and I know wouldn't work in today's framesets.

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