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Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by fpgeek »

dirtyaura wrote: post #137
fpgeek wrote: post #118

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Ironically, those "copyists" Samsung and HTC had "reject call with text" in their Gingerbread editions of TouchWiz and Sense (I'm not sure about earlier skins since I haven't used them), even before Google added it to ICS. I'm sure both are kicking themselves that they didn't try to patent it (though I suppose patents move slowly, so maybe they have).

It's likely not patentable, similar feature has been in old Nokia phones years ago. Many current mobile usage ideas, like e.g. location based reminders, Nokia had in design board or development internally already in early 2000s. Many ideas are common sense. At the end of the day, ideas don't matter that much, it's the execution that matters.

Oh, I totally agree on patentability, but... not patentable and not getting past the USPTO are two very, very different things.

If HTC and/or Samsung were to get their own versions of the "slide-to-unlock" nonsense past the the USPTO, that would substantially affect at least the US theater of the mobile patent wars.

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Post by shellehs »

China will be a very significant market for Apple. Here Google gains too much competitors, the biggest competitors are partners of Apple now.

And also the market potential, there are still lot of demand of iOS devices, Mac OS devices, more than North America.

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Post by cheatercheater »

antr wrote: post #25

I'm very curious about the Passbook app. This seems to be the beginning of Apple's payments platform, and not just that; coupons, location based alerts, and - why not - P2P payments.

Wonder if it'll integrate with Square.

Bring your iPhone with a coupon, have iPhone based POS recognize it wirelessly or via QR code.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by simonh »

gnaffle wrote: post #74
simonh wrote: post #27

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Unlike all those 2010 Android devices that are all running ICS... er ... So far the main reason Apple has not supported new OS updates on old hardware is due to hardware requirements, usually memory. I agree it seems odd as the 4th gen touch is basically the same spec as the iPad 1, but in general their record in this area is unmatched by any of their competition. Nobody else even comes close.

I know, but that's really no excuse. I don't have a problem with Apple dropping support for old hardware, but this feels a little forced on a device that's only two years old. Of course, forced obsolescence is a fact of life with commercial, proprietary products, and of course you're not entitled to software updates apart from bugfixes. But it's very different world compared to the PC world where companies like Micro…

So what should they do about the memory limitations on old devices. Just not add more features to the OS, so it still works on the older hardware?

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Post by buro9 »

cdcarter wrote: post #81
ashazar wrote: post #13

Just a wasted 1 year... Not much of an improvement since iOS 5. Maps (with turn-by-turn navigation) and offline reading seems nice, but nothing else.

I think Passbook is actually the star of this upgrade. My phone noticing I walked into a Starbucks and giving me a quick shortcut to bring up that barcode? Brilliant!

You have no idea how much of an advertiser wet dream this capability is.

When I worked for Yell/Yellowbook, one of the most common requests was for anything that we could develop that could "Allow a shop to know when you were walking by, and offer deals and enticements to get you either into the shop fully or to push you towards the items that they most want to sell to you.".

This never didn't horrify me. May be good for them, but terrible for consumers.

If Apple have managed to package the functionality such that consumers are excited by it then it is a gold mine for Apple.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

MBCook wrote: post #109
gnaffle wrote: post #75

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Lots of iOS 6 features doesn't require more processing power. They could have easily turned off the features that did, just like they did with iOS 5 on the iPhone 3G / 3GS. But they don't have an incentive to do that, and it would mean more work for them supporting a shrinking user base. However, customer loyalty may have been increased quite a bit by providing updates for more than 2 years. I'd have much less of a p…

I could see that being confusing to people. "iOS 6 includes Ultra Photos! But not on your device. Yes, you do have iOS 6, just not the good iOS 6." My parents have an iPad one, and I've used an iPad 2 at work. I've got to say I'm not that surprised, as the thing is clearly constrained as it is. It's over 2 years old, so it's not like they just suddenly abandoned it. And you can still get iOS apps for it for quite a w…

It may be confusing but hat's how it already works. No Siri or turn-by-turn for iphone 3GS or 4 etc.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by 0x006A »

acdha wrote: post #85
MatthewPhillips wrote: post #17

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This has been in HTML for almost 2 years now. Rather than being a step forward foe the mobile web, it shows how behind the mobile web is, as the two most dominant players in mobile only update their browsers once a year. I'm guessing iOS6 doesn't add support for IndexedDB either. So we're stuck using the deprecated WebSQL until mid 2013 or later.

> it shows how behind the mobile web is, as the two most dominant players in mobile only update their browsers once a year. As opposed to the desktop world where IE 8 is still your best-case minimum browser?

As opposed to the desktop where you can install any browser you want.

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Post by hrbrtglm »

DeepDuh wrote: post #123
hrbrtglm wrote: post #99

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That's a nice feature, but still looks half-baked for me. It's now ios6 and you still need to jailbreak your iphone to blacklist people harassing you with phone calls or imessage. What I do need is a blacklist feature which send to /dev/null people I don't want to talk to or receive imessage or sms from, and the DND feature looks more like a whitelist only available to phone calls. Maybe in ios 7 ? It seems like a ba…

Can't you just blacklist on your provider?

No, I can't ! There's no way a provider could help you block unwanted imessages sender or unwanted facetime caller anyway. What is your provider who let you do that for free on behalf of apple products ?

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Post by ralfd »

wavephorm wrote: post #31
ryannielsen wrote: post #26

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I'm really getting sick of this "throw-away hardware" culture that Apple is enforcing. Just because iPad 1 can't run iOS 6 doesn't mean it's suddenly "trash". Also, the first iPad is woefully underpowered – thanks to the display, it's quite memory and graphics constrained. It's entirely possible Apple wasn't willing get new iOS features working well on that hardware, especially considering iPad 1's install base is a…

I don't care about new iOS features, or any of their iCloud nonsense, I know it won't support Siri (ipad1 lacked a microphone). What I do care about is the web browser on my iPad not receiving any software updates... ever. That's a serious problem. Without any software upgrades ever, the iPad will become the future IE. In fact, this is worse because of Apple's closed system they also won't allow 3rd parties to upgrad…

I too have a first model iPad and it sucks, but I also kinda expected it. Other developers also don't seem that much surprised/disappointed. The problem is RAM: The iPhone 3GS and the iPad have the same amount of RAM, but the iPad has twice the resolution and almost 5 times the amount of pixels to push to screen. I suspect Apple and third party App developers will support the second Generation iPad exceptionally long, because it is still selling (obviously), it has much better hardware specs and it outsold the first Generation over 3:1. It makes sense to make the cut now with iOS 6.

Re: Apple iOS6 Preview

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Post by acdha »

0x006A wrote: post #147
acdha wrote: post #85

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> it shows how behind the mobile web is, as the two most dominant players in mobile only update their browsers once a year. As opposed to the desktop world where IE 8 is still your best-case minimum browser?

As opposed to the desktop where you can install any browser you want.

… which changes little because actual web developers have to support the worst-case browser for all of the millions of people who don't install a modern browser. For most of us who aren't running something like a Mac or browser nerd website, that means the latest version of IE available to Windows XP users.
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