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MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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One further note on hardware quality: Perceived hardware quality is something Apple is fantastic at. Their laptops look and feel great. They feel like they'll last decades. This is misleading since they're actually built to be disposable. e.g. If you spill coffee on your Macbook Air, it's dead. You can't fix it because you can't remove the battery in a timely fashion and don't have the tools to open it. Apple won't f…

Agreed on the "perceived" quality. Based on my experiences, I'd bet money that if you compared a 3-year-old Thinkpad to a 3-year-old Mac, the Thinkpad would be in far better shape.

In early March I was in Santa Clara for this year's PyCon. I took with me a white early 2006 Macbook which needed replacement for the bottom shell (it cracked and a piece fell off). Repair was to cost US$ 120, which I gladly approved. Since there was a recall replacement to be done, the replacement of the bottom case came at no cost. During the replacement, they damaged the cable connector for the keyboard, which was also replaced without cost.

In the end, I took a 6 year old computer to an Apple store and walked out with it looking more or less new, for free.

Apple's service is nothing short of amazing. I doubt IBM would have done that to your Thinkpad.

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I agree that Visual Studio is an excellent IDE if you are targeting Windows and that SQL Server is a very good RDBMS, but why would anyone, except for some disgustingly wicked form of auto-flagellation, actually want Exchange and SharePoint?

Because familiarising yourself with software that costs thousands of dollars for free is kind of fun? The fact that I have at least part of the knowledge makes me more valuable for an employer.

The real question is why would you want to be valuable to someone who uses Exchange and Sharepoint ;-)

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Source? My capslock is a control key and I use it heavily so I feel like I'd notice a 200ms delay, which makes me doubt it's done in hardware

OS X turns off the delay if you map that key to something else. The only workaround I've found in Linux is to force the LED on with setleds so that the hardware thinks it doesn't need to enable the delay.

Not for me - I've had two Macbooks in the last two years for work, and both of them suffered this problem, which makes developing in Vim super annoying (I remap Caps_Lock to Esc).

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> I've never used a Thinkpad, though, so I can't say whether it would have fared better or not. Well... my 2006 T60p is in great shape. Original hard drive, battery only 14.7% down from its original capacity. My 2004 X31 is still ticking and it's been through a lot. Zero problems with the electronics although to be fair I did upgrade the hard drive in 2007.

The t60 was the last model built when IBM still owned the laptop division. Spun off, Lenovo commoditized and did not keep up the QA. In my org, t60's were widely coveted, hand updated (ssd's, memory) and kept over newer offerings. The latest T's and X's are better, but your average 60p has a better monitor than nearly all of the current tpad line.

T60ps were built by Lenovo and some outright carried the Lenovo badge. You could claim the design has gone downhill, but the build quality is Lenovo's.

Looking at the IPS-equipped X220 for my next laptop :)

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I've spent a reasonable amount of time using Windows, Linux, and OSX. All of them suck. All of them are also awesome, at different things. If you want an living room PC for entertainment, Windows is king. Neither Linux or OSX support Bluray properly and Windows still has a huge edge in gaming. Windows also supports the most hardware. That's become unimportant to most people, but if you work in a research lab with var…

One further note on hardware quality: Perceived hardware quality is something Apple is fantastic at. Their laptops look and feel great. They feel like they'll last decades. This is misleading since they're actually built to be disposable. e.g. If you spill coffee on your Macbook Air, it's dead. You can't fix it because you can't remove the battery in a timely fashion and don't have the tools to open it. Apple won't f…

Regarding other manufacturers putting retina displays. While not quite retina level, ASUS did fire a preemptive strike against the MacBook Air, by releasing their UX21A and UX31A ultrabooks with 1920x1080 IPS displays. The UX21A 11.6" ppi is 189, not far from the new MacBook Pro 220 and perhaps more interestingly, now ASUS' ultrabooks have much better displays than the airs, with the 11.6" air being stuck at a measly 1366x768.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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I've spent a reasonable amount of time using Windows, Linux, and OSX. All of them suck. All of them are also awesome, at different things. If you want an living room PC for entertainment, Windows is king. Neither Linux or OSX support Bluray properly and Windows still has a huge edge in gaming. Windows also supports the most hardware. That's become unimportant to most people, but if you work in a research lab with var…

One further note on hardware quality: Perceived hardware quality is something Apple is fantastic at. Their laptops look and feel great. They feel like they'll last decades. This is misleading since they're actually built to be disposable. e.g. If you spill coffee on your Macbook Air, it's dead. You can't fix it because you can't remove the battery in a timely fashion and don't have the tools to open it. Apple won't f…

I have a MBP from 2007 and an Acer Aspire netbook from 2007, both running relatively strong and I've taken both around the world in a backpack several times (often together).

What's gone wrong with them?

MBP - The case is full of dents, and the screen is starting to get dark. It's balls slow these days and Apple really doesn't want to support it anymore.

Netbook - it can't detect how much battery is left anymore, but otherwise seems fine. It's also balls slow, and there's not really a way to support it.

All that being said, replacing my netbook with something similarly priced will cost me $300-400 and get me a hell of a lot better piece of hardware. Replacing my MBP is going to cost me a pretty penny that I'm not looking forward to.

Note: I actually did "replace" my MBP with a Dell Studio a couple of years ago for about a thousand bucks and got a ridiculous amount of hardware for that price. It still looks almost new, but it "feels" cheap and fragile, even if it hasn't actually shown any wear and tear. My MBP on the other hand feels incredible, but has collected so many battle scars from fairly undramatic handling that I wonder if aluminum really is a good case material in the long run. The metal around one of the ports in the back is so buckled the port is no longer usable.

Note 2: It's interesting, being an East Coastie, that when I see MBPs it's usually young professionals at Starbucks or some such putting together business consulting slide decks or something. It's mildly unusual to see developer types out here with Macs (or see them with Macs not running Windows). I'm sure it's an effect of banking and government on the ecosystem. But it's almost always non-tech types using Macs here...usually as a response to having crappy corporate Windows XP/7 systems forced on them in their cubes at work.

Note 3: I'm not really a developer type, so personally I think Macs are "OK". I can see why West Coastie Web Startups use them. The Unixland is decent enough, the GUI is pretty good etc. For folks who want to do that kind of stuff the ecosystem is pretty nice.

For me, most of the stuff I want to do with a computer either isn't as good, doesn't exist, or is a second class citizen in the Mac world (it's mostly music composition, retrogaming, other entertainment) but is miles ahead in maturity and choices in the PC world. Portable software practices make lots of that go away when I'm stuck on my Mac and want to have some fun, but it still feels less mature than the Windows counterparts.

For business, almost none of my customers are using Macs, so I'm back into Windows land again.

It's frustrating, I'll sit down to really work with my Mac for a bit (and did for a few solid years), but find myself inevitably drawn back into Windows world to "just get shit done" in many cases.

Running Windows on an expensive MBP seems silly as the hardware seems to be about as durable, but the Windows machines are virtually disposable they're so cheap...and I couldn't care less about the feel of the machine.

I think changing work environments to a different kind of shop would probably offer me a better opportunity to stick with OS X, it's a kind of network effect.

But outside of some personal frustrations, I can see why either ecosystem would be a perfectly valid choice.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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This may be a bit off-topic, but I have to wonder why I see laptop screens with much higher resolution than desktop monitors. It just seems so backwards (in terms of practical use) that as screen size increases, the screen resolution seems to decrease . So now in many ways most desktop rigs are inferior to a 15" laptop as far as productivity goes. My intuition for the cause, is that the more surface area of the scree…

You want to sell more monitors than your competitors. Do you a) advertise a higher resolution and DPI than them or b) advertise a larger screen? B has been winning out nearly every time, as most consumers will either not care/understand about the DPI, or will understand the resolution but subconsciously think better of the monitor which is larger.

However, with laptops, you can only keep making them so big (and indeed, it seems that the 17″ MacBooks are getting axed). Similar to phones, the only innovation that makes sense in this market is to increase DPI.

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I'm really hoping it can drive three external monitors... Looks somewhat promising: * Two Thunderbolt[/DisplayPort?] ports * One HDMI port * A Geforce 650M (capable of driving 4 active displays [1]). [1] http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.71887.0.... EDIT: "Up to two external displays" (thanks dsirijus)

If you are hacking or doing office work (and not gaming), you can easily support an additional 1080p monitor over USB2 using DisplayLink tech. I did it in a former life using a 13" MBP and over a Belkin USB2 hub, even with no glitches. With USB3 now, you could probably run several. I bet you could get 4 HD monitors easy.

1080p @ 32bpps is 8MB/frame. That's 7FPS max, so anything that moves a lot of pixels is totally out of the question.

Even with just Visual Studio and normal office usage, I found it very frustrating using a 1080p screen over USB. Very choppy and annoying.

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