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Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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The title was correct yesterday. Why is the title editorialized today? "What Does Nevada’s $35 Billion Fund Manager Do All Day? Nothing" This is the actual title of the article, the page, and the printed version. There was no reason to have edited this except for optics. If true, that's absurd, dang.

Because on HN we like titles to have information and not be click-bait. The WSJ title is prime click-bait.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

#222

The title was correct yesterday. Why is the title editorialized today? "What Does Nevada’s $35 Billion Fund Manager Do All Day? Nothing" This is the actual title of the article, the page, and the printed version. There was no reason to have edited this except for optics. If true, that's absurd, dang.

Because on HN we like titles to have information and not be click-bait. The WSJ title is prime click-bait.

So, clickbait is fine, as long as we just editorialize the title? That's an unusual standard.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

#223

The title was correct yesterday. Why is the title editorialized today? "What Does Nevada’s $35 Billion Fund Manager Do All Day? Nothing" This is the actual title of the article, the page, and the printed version. There was no reason to have edited this except for optics. If true, that's absurd, dang.

He doesn't literally do nothing, does he? So I don't think it was exactly correct. And it was vague because it didn't explain what the article was actually about.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because on HN we like titles to have information and not be click-bait. The WSJ title is prime click-bait.

So, clickbait is fine, as long as we just editorialize the title? That's an unusual standard.

Are you saying the new title is clickbait? How so?

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> assume nothing more than a normally distributed random variable But look at something like systemic risk: it’s not necessarily normally distributed. The S&P returns skew left. I’m sure there are other risk metrics that break this assumption as well.

Right, risk is often fat tailed, but unless we enter an expert discussion, for which HN is hardly a good medium, it is safe to assume 99% of strategies out there yield normally distributed returns. Non normally returned strategies are rarer and sophisticated.

>it is safe to assume 99% of strategies out there yield normally distributed returns.

I don’t know that I agree. If the market as a whole doesn’t have normally distributed risk, it implies even the simplest strategy of buying SPY and holding will also not have normally distributed risk.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

#226

The title was correct yesterday. Why is the title editorialized today? "What Does Nevada’s $35 Billion Fund Manager Do All Day? Nothing" This is the actual title of the article, the page, and the printed version. There was no reason to have edited this except for optics. If true, that's absurd, dang.

There most definitely is a reason to edit titles: to reduce clickbait or shorten titles.

The system even automatically removes certain clickbait elements, for instance "How" is stripped out of submitted titles.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of actively managed funds is not so much to "beat the market", it's to provide diversified returns via strategies that are uncorrelated with the market. On average, the S&P500 has returned about 7% annually. If I had a strategy that returned 5% on average but was totally uncorrelated with the S&P, then you'd get the best overall long-term returns (maximize the geometric average of annual returns) by investi…

I want to agree with you, except that almost all of the salescritters for these products promote them as "beating the market." They _have_ to sell them this way because if their customers had any idea what the whole-market returns actually were, they wouldn't pay extra for the privilege of a far riskier (and lower-performing, on average) investment. And the S&P 500 returns more like 10% per year. A bit higher if you…

SP500 had not returned 10% a year historically. And really would want to look at returns above the cash rate.

And the SP500 has had unusually good performance relative to other equity indexes. Would not count on that forever.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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To any fund manager out there that truly believes you can beat the market, here is how you can sell me your fund: We agree on an index and a time frame. You guarantee me the same return as the index within that time frame. If you beat the index, you keep 90% of returns ABOVE the index (and I get 10%). We both win, and you win big. If you don't beat the index (within the time frame), you make up the difference (so I g…

There is a similar but different product (without the downside protection).

A fund manager can replicate the index with derivatives and overlay their alpha on top of it.

Google “alpha overlay” or “portable alpha” for more info.

These types of products were more popular about 10-15 years ago.

Firms typically charge just for the alpha for these strategies.

You are asking for the manager to sell you an option.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

#229

To any fund manager out there that truly believes you can beat the market, here is how you can sell me your fund: We agree on an index and a time frame. You guarantee me the same return as the index within that time frame. If you beat the index, you keep 90% of returns ABOVE the index (and I get 10%). We both win, and you win big. If you don't beat the index (within the time frame), you make up the difference (so I g…

The point of actively managed funds is not so much to "beat the market", it's to provide diversified returns via strategies that are uncorrelated with the market. On average, the S&P500 has returned about 7% annually. If I had a strategy that returned 5% on average but was totally uncorrelated with the S&P, then you'd get the best overall long-term returns (maximize the geometric average of annual returns) by investi…

I find this really hard to believe. I could be wrong but all the alpha type funds don't seem to advertise themselves as this.
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