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Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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I was introduced to Calvin and Hobbes (as well as Sam and Max) as a kid by a taxi driver when on holiday in Florida in the 90s. Loved both. It’s been a delight to re read them with my son recently. I somewhat lament it’s not possible to by any merchandise though! I’d love to have a big print of the pair in their radio flyer crashing down the hill!

Ah!, speaking of merchandise. I once read an essay about the idea of, if you have a successful artistic creation, should you exploit it financially, for example by selling rights for someone else to find new income streams (Bill Waterson famously never did.) The essay argued that even if you are primarily motivated by art and not money, you should for the reason that money being the motivating factor for so many acti…

I'm not convinced that merchandising would keep an artistic creation relevant in society. It'd be just as likely to reduce the artwork to the lowest common denominator and it'd become just another slogan/logo.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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Ah!, speaking of merchandise. I once read an essay about the idea of, if you have a successful artistic creation, should you exploit it financially, for example by selling rights for someone else to find new income streams (Bill Waterson famously never did.) The essay argued that even if you are primarily motivated by art and not money, you should for the reason that money being the motivating factor for so many acti…

I'm not convinced that merchandising would keep an artistic creation relevant in society. It'd be just as likely to reduce the artwork to the lowest common denominator and it'd become just another slogan/logo.

The idea you're conveying is very well known but in my opinion poorly argued for. This essay I mentioned on the other hand had a minority view and well argued for, which is why I was trying to find it in order to reread it.

Anecdotally let's look at one data point. Spider-Man is in comparison garbage, but it's everywhere to this day. Why, because some company calculated they could milk it. C&H in comparison is much better but virtually unknown for anyone under the age of 20. It's dying.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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I was introduced to Calvin and Hobbes (as well as Sam and Max) as a kid by a taxi driver when on holiday in Florida in the 90s. Loved both. It’s been a delight to re read them with my son recently. I somewhat lament it’s not possible to by any merchandise though! I’d love to have a big print of the pair in their radio flyer crashing down the hill!

Ah!, speaking of merchandise. I once read an essay about the idea of, if you have a successful artistic creation, should you exploit it financially, for example by selling rights for someone else to find new income streams (Bill Waterson famously never did.) The essay argued that even if you are primarily motivated by art and not money, you should for the reason that money being the motivating factor for so many acti…

I believe that essay mistakes quantity for quality. I think most authors would prefer a small community that "gets" them than a larger one that doesn't.

I believe most artists care more about the message of their art than about its spread. And if you ask them to choose between "500 people that get it" and "50000 people who don't", the fact that the second number is bigger is not necessarily a better deal.

(Obviously there are considerations for "I need to pay rent", but that's a different issue)

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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I'm not convinced that merchandising would keep an artistic creation relevant in society. It'd be just as likely to reduce the artwork to the lowest common denominator and it'd become just another slogan/logo.

The idea you're conveying is very well known but in my opinion poorly argued for. This essay I mentioned on the other hand had a minority view and well argued for, which is why I was trying to find it in order to reread it. Anecdotally let's look at one data point. Spider-Man is in comparison garbage, but it's everywhere to this day. Why, because some company calculated they could milk it. C&H in comparison is much b…

> "You either die a hero or..." —HD

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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Dylan got the nobel price in litterature, which is awarded for a work of litterature, not for political influence. (Infamously Peter Handke won the litterature price despite his support for Milošević.) You are probably thinking of the peace price, but that is a different thing.

This is a good point. But his award is most definitely political both in how it was awarded and in the positions Dylan took in various events, songs and lyrics.

Obviously Dylan is political but this does not mean the price was political. The Handke debacle seems a pretty clear indication they evaluate the litterary merit without regard to the politics of the author.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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> His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan. Could you explain why? I love Calvin and Hobbes. However Dylan played a role in political and human rights movements at a key time. I don’t see this sort of influence in Calvin and Hobbes and Watterson was apparently fired from one job for his lack of political knowledge (assuming the wikipedia entry is correct).

> fired from one job for his lack of political knowledge (assuming the wikipedia entry is correct) You should also have noticed from that source that Watterson majored in political science (he initially wanted to be a political cartoonist), and also that unfortunate job was related to local politics. The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded for producing "the most outstanding work in an idealistic direction" with "th…

> The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded for producing "the most outstanding work in an idealistic direction" with "the greatest benefit on mankind".

They should award one posthumously to Gene Roddenberry then. After all, the Federation from Star Trek is pretty much the only well-known case of an utopia that actually works in fiction writing, and the show itself is one of few examples of aspirational and inspirational writing in modern sci-fi.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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Since influential people are on this forum, someone should get Bill Watterson nominated for the Nobel prize in literature. His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan.

Berkeley Breathed could feel left out - and one of his collections was named "Classics of Western Literature".

Nobel Prizes leave lots of people feeling left out.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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> fired from one job for his lack of political knowledge (assuming the wikipedia entry is correct) You should also have noticed from that source that Watterson majored in political science (he initially wanted to be a political cartoonist), and also that unfortunate job was related to local politics. The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded for producing "the most outstanding work in an idealistic direction" with "th…

> The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded for producing "the most outstanding work in an idealistic direction" with "the greatest benefit on mankind". They should award one posthumously to Gene Roddenberry then. After all, the Federation from Star Trek is pretty much the only well-known case of an utopia that actually works in fiction writing, and the show itself is one of few examples of aspirational and inspiratio…

What is a utopia that "actually works"?

Star Trek is "What if Communism but it wasn't influenced by human nature?", and totally avoided thinking about how the trillions of humans not in the military lived.

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