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Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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Since influential people are on this forum, someone should get Bill Watterson nominated for the Nobel prize in literature. His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan.

> His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan.

Could you explain why? I love Calvin and Hobbes. However Dylan played a role in political and human rights movements at a key time. I don’t see this sort of influence in Calvin and Hobbes and Watterson was apparently fired from one job for his lack of political knowledge (assuming the wikipedia entry is correct).

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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I was introduced to Calvin and Hobbes (as well as Sam and Max) as a kid by a taxi driver when on holiday in Florida in the 90s. Loved both. It’s been a delight to re read them with my son recently. I somewhat lament it’s not possible to by any merchandise though! I’d love to have a big print of the pair in their radio flyer crashing down the hill!

Ah!, speaking of merchandise.

I once read an essay about the idea of, if you have a successful artistic creation, should you exploit it financially, for example by selling rights for someone else to find new income streams (Bill Waterson famously never did.) The essay argued that even if you are primarily motivated by art and not money, you should for the reason that money being the motivating factor for so many activities in our society, doing so is the only way to keep your creation relevant in society, which would then mean that your creation would keep being exposed to new people, as opposed to live in the minds of ever older people and die with them. I would like to to find the essay and reread it, but I could never find it. It kind of rang true.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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I can't really remember how or by whom I was introduced to Calvin and Hobbes. There was for years a peripheral awareness of it existing and eventually - reasons unknown - I purchased one of the books collecting strips. Properly reading Calvin and Hobbes for the first time is one of those experiences that leave a lasting imprint. The only other comic strip that had this lasting effect on me was Cul de Sac by Richard Thompson.

https://www.gocomics.com/culdesac/2007/11/11

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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post #9

Since influential people are on this forum, someone should get Bill Watterson nominated for the Nobel prize in literature. His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan.

> His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan. Could you explain why? I love Calvin and Hobbes. However Dylan played a role in political and human rights movements at a key time. I don’t see this sort of influence in Calvin and Hobbes and Watterson was apparently fired from one job for his lack of political knowledge (assuming the wikipedia entry is correct).

> fired from one job for his lack of political knowledge (assuming the wikipedia entry is correct)

You should also have noticed from that source that Watterson majored in political science (he initially wanted to be a political cartoonist), and also that unfortunate job was related to local politics.

The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded for producing "the most outstanding work in an idealistic direction" with "the greatest benefit on mankind". This was interpreted into broad qualities (so, including but not reducing to promoting «human rights»). See the list of Nobel Laureates and the formal justifications for the award, at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_in_Lit...

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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post #9

Since influential people are on this forum, someone should get Bill Watterson nominated for the Nobel prize in literature. His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan.

> His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan. Could you explain why? I love Calvin and Hobbes. However Dylan played a role in political and human rights movements at a key time. I don’t see this sort of influence in Calvin and Hobbes and Watterson was apparently fired from one job for his lack of political knowledge (assuming the wikipedia entry is correct).

Dylan got the nobel price in litterature, which is awarded for a work of litterature, not for political influence. (Infamously Peter Handke won the litterature price despite his support for Milošević.)

You are probably thinking of the peace price, but that is a different thing.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/10/30/the-mysteries-... I've read, many times (it's a very short read), M. Watterson's (and his friend's John Kascht) latest work, "The Mysteries", and I very much like it. It's a multifaceted fable that explores, among other things, the tension between curiosity and control, and the allure and danger of technological progress. "The Mysteries" takes a more somber and philosophi…

There's a YouTube video with the two creators discussing their process on the book:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HHND7L1wUl0

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan. Could you explain why? I love Calvin and Hobbes. However Dylan played a role in political and human rights movements at a key time. I don’t see this sort of influence in Calvin and Hobbes and Watterson was apparently fired from one job for his lack of political knowledge (assuming the wikipedia entry is correct).

Dylan got the nobel price in litterature, which is awarded for a work of litterature, not for political influence. (Infamously Peter Handke won the litterature price despite his support for Milošević.) You are probably thinking of the peace price, but that is a different thing.

> The Nobel Prize in Literature […] is awarded annually, since 1901, to an author from any country who has, in the words of the will of Swedish industrialist Alfred Nobel, "in the field of literature, produced the most outstanding work in an idealistic direction"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_in_Literature

> Interpretations of Nobel's guidelines

> Alfred Nobel's guidelines for the prize, stating that the candidate should have bestowed "the greatest benefit on mankind" and written "in an idealistic direction," have sparked much discussion. In the early history of the prize, Nobel's "idealism" was read as "a lofty and sound idealism." The set of criteria, characterised by its conservative idealism, holding church, state, and family sacred, resulted in prizes for Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson, Rudyard Kipling, and Paul Heyse. During World War I, there was a policy of neutrality, which partly explains the number of awards to Scandinavian writers. In the 1920s, "idealistic direction" was interpreted more generously as "wide-hearted humanity," leading to awards for writers like Anatole France, George Bernard Shaw, and Thomas Mann. In the 1930s, "the greatest benefit on mankind" was interpreted as writers within everybody's reach, with authors like Sinclair Lewis and Pearl Buck receiving recognition. From 1946, a renewed Academy changed focus and began to award literary pioneers like Hermann Hesse, André Gide, T. S. Eliot, and William Faulkner. During this era, "the greatest benefit on mankind" was interpreted in a more exclusive and generous way than before. Since the 1970s, the Academy has often given attention to important but internationally unnoticed writers, awarding writers like Isaac Bashevis Singer, Odysseus Elytis, Elias Canetti, and Jaroslav Seifert.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan. Could you explain why? I love Calvin and Hobbes. However Dylan played a role in political and human rights movements at a key time. I don’t see this sort of influence in Calvin and Hobbes and Watterson was apparently fired from one job for his lack of political knowledge (assuming the wikipedia entry is correct).

Dylan got the nobel price in litterature, which is awarded for a work of litterature, not for political influence. (Infamously Peter Handke won the litterature price despite his support for Milošević.) You are probably thinking of the peace price, but that is a different thing.

This is a good point. But his award is most definitely political both in how it was awarded and in the positions Dylan took in various events, songs and lyrics.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dylan got the nobel price in litterature, which is awarded for a work of litterature, not for political influence. (Infamously Peter Handke won the litterature price despite his support for Milošević.) You are probably thinking of the peace price, but that is a different thing.

This is a good point. But his award is most definitely political both in how it was awarded and in the positions Dylan took in various events, songs and lyrics.

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Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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post #9

Since influential people are on this forum, someone should get Bill Watterson nominated for the Nobel prize in literature. His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan.

If you look at the list of nominees it's not exactly a mark of lasting impact

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nominees_for_the_Nob...

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