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Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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Re: Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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they aren’t cell diseases. It is plant toxins either leaking into the blood stream through intestinal permeability or a problem with peoples livers being fatty and not able to do their job anymore resulting in the bodies inability to remove plant toxins. The toxins cause an immune reaction wherever they build up , rheumatoid arthritis if it’s the joints of the legs and arms etc. Plant toxins include pesticides, fungi…

Funnily enough you have another poster [1] saying the exact opposite, that meat makes their symptoms worse, and eating plant foods makes their symptoms go away.

Whenever the carnivore diet comes up as a panacea (which it does, a lot), I wonder if people tried anything else. Did they try reintroducing plant foods to test their hypothesis?

Personally, I bet that it's not the diet itself that helps in most cases, but that the very act of changing one's diet radically alters the gut microbiome. People with autoimmune diseases usually have a dysbiotic gut flora, so it makes sense that a radical change would "reset" it. However, this would suggest that reintroducing foods should work, unless you reintroduce things that bring back the imbalance.

Anecdotally, my psoriasis disappeared after I switched to a strict vegetarian diet. I can't prove it, though, so I don't go on Reddit making unscientific claims I can't back up with evidence.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40937383

Re: Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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I was diagnosed with lupus a few years ago. My mom also had it and passed away after 10 years due to complications. My initial symptoms were severe joint pains, which made daily activities difficult. This happened during the COVID lockdown, which helped me maintain my job. I did a lot of research and tried various treatments. Functional medicines and expensive vitamins didn’t help. I read about long-term fasting and…

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Re: Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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Quite a few of my friend's that were diagnosed with chron's disease found out that the main culprit seemed to be flour and other foodstuff that had been treated with glyphosate (Roundup). After switching to sourdough bread made from organic flours, and similar choices for masa harina (nixtamilated corn) their issues went away. This was after years of not eating anything with fiber, gluten, or nightshades. Their theor…

There is also other things like brominated flour which is illegal in brazil, the eu, india and canada but not the USA

California banned potassium brominate as a food additive last year, but it doesn’t go into effect until 2027.

The FDA finally banned brominated vegetable oil very recently so maybe they’ll get to the rest of it too. Assuming they can make rules anymore, anyway.

Re: Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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I was diagnosed with lupus a few years ago. My mom also had it and passed away after 10 years due to complications. My initial symptoms were severe joint pains, which made daily activities difficult. This happened during the COVID lockdown, which helped me maintain my job. I did a lot of research and tried various treatments. Functional medicines and expensive vitamins didn’t help. I read about long-term fasting and…

Did you ever do an Igg food sensitivity test-food panel to check if there were any inflammatory Igg markers from specific foods you were eating? E.g. they can test for 200+ most common foods, which you would of had to have eaten within the last 2-3 months for the Igg markers to still be present - otherwise they breakdown and obviously won't be detected.

To note, you need to eat high fat meat in order to properly digest the meat.

It's possible to also be allergic to certain types of meat, e.g. there's a protein in duck that bothers me.

Another factor to seriously consider is if consuming high quality organic meat vs. whatever else.

Also, meat requires a lot of energy to break down due to its [nutrient-calorie] density - of course you get back much more energy than it consumes, but it is an intensive process, so if there are other foods you're eating that are causing irritation then digesting meat could be problematic - and so then while of course reducing or stopping eating meat will then stop symptoms, it's possible that if removing the other foods that may be causing problems would then allow the meat consumption without causing any problems.

There's really been no properly done research on diet.

Re: Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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I have crohn's disease which is also autoimmune and directly related to ingesting certain things. I think a lot of autoimmunity has to do with intestinal bacteria and their relationship to our innate immune system. And to a lesser extent it seems that almost every aspect of life is effected by what we eat, how we feel, how we act, how we grow and die. Maybe in 100 years we'll have fecal tests and bacteria pills to ca…

Quite a few of my friend's that were diagnosed with chron's disease found out that the main culprit seemed to be flour and other foodstuff that had been treated with glyphosate (Roundup). After switching to sourdough bread made from organic flours, and similar choices for masa harina (nixtamilated corn) their issues went away. This was after years of not eating anything with fiber, gluten, or nightshades. Their theor…

Happened with my "gluten-free" wife, too. No issue with legit sourdough.

Re: Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite a few of my friend's that were diagnosed with chron's disease found out that the main culprit seemed to be flour and other foodstuff that had been treated with glyphosate (Roundup). After switching to sourdough bread made from organic flours, and similar choices for masa harina (nixtamilated corn) their issues went away. This was after years of not eating anything with fiber, gluten, or nightshades. Their theor…

> after years of not eating anything with fiber, You mean they avoided vegetables entirely?

Yes, there is a whole subsection of the internet that seems to think that vegetables are a net negative. They site doctors that suggest that fiber causes irritation in individuals with compromised intestines (leaky gut syndrome, etc.). It's exhausting having conversations with them as a vegetarian as they seem to think the only healthy way to eat is bone broth, butter, mct oil, and meat.

Re: Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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I eat a lot of legumes such as lentils, chickpeas, black beans, and peas. I also include tofu made from soy, and nuts like almonds, peanuts, as well as seeds like chia, flaxseeds, and hemp. I use plant-based protein powders too specifically ( https://lovecomplement.com/products/complement-organic-vegan... ) when I drink green smoothies (3 to 4 meals a week). Green leafy vegetables also has a lot protein (Kale, Brocco…

> I use supplements for B12 which is missing from vegetable foods. Just in case you're looking for an inexpensive vegan whole food source, seaweed sheets (like those used in sushi) have a relatively high amount of B12. I took a look at the brand in my pantry and it has 60% RDA per sheet.

Wiki disagrees about B12 in nori:

    > A 2014 study reported that dried purple laver ("nori") contains vitamin B12 in sufficient quantities to meet the RDA requirement (Vitamin B12 content: 77.6 μg /100 g dry weight).[19] By contrast, however, a 2017 review concluded that vitamin B12 may be destroyed during metabolism or is converted into inactive B12 analogs during drying and storage.[20] The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics stated in 2016 that nori is not an adequate source of vitamin B12 for humans.[21]
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nori#Nutrition

Re: Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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> I use supplements for B12 which is missing from vegetable foods. Just in case you're looking for an inexpensive vegan whole food source, seaweed sheets (like those used in sushi) have a relatively high amount of B12. I took a look at the brand in my pantry and it has 60% RDA per sheet.

Wiki disagrees about B12 in nori: > A 2014 study reported that dried purple laver ("nori") contains vitamin B12 in sufficient quantities to meet the RDA requirement (Vitamin B12 content: 77.6 μg /100 g dry weight).[19] By contrast, however, a 2017 review concluded that vitamin B12 may be destroyed during metabolism or is converted into inactive B12 analogs during drying and storage.[20] The Academy of Nutrition and D…

Thanks, I was only going off the nutrition label, it shows 60% RDA per sheet. However, the reference link for the academy is broken; I wonder if they’ve changed their stance? Other references indicate raw nori has B12 but the drying process may turn it to an inactive form.

Re: Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have crohn's disease which is also autoimmune and directly related to ingesting certain things. I think a lot of autoimmunity has to do with intestinal bacteria and their relationship to our innate immune system. And to a lesser extent it seems that almost every aspect of life is effected by what we eat, how we feel, how we act, how we grow and die. Maybe in 100 years we'll have fecal tests and bacteria pills to ca…

Quite a few of my friend's that were diagnosed with chron's disease found out that the main culprit seemed to be flour and other foodstuff that had been treated with glyphosate (Roundup). After switching to sourdough bread made from organic flours, and similar choices for masa harina (nixtamilated corn) their issues went away. This was after years of not eating anything with fiber, gluten, or nightshades. Their theor…

What's the difference between food and foodstuff?

Re: Scientists discover a cause of lupus, possible way to reverse it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite a few of my friend's that were diagnosed with chron's disease found out that the main culprit seemed to be flour and other foodstuff that had been treated with glyphosate (Roundup). After switching to sourdough bread made from organic flours, and similar choices for masa harina (nixtamilated corn) their issues went away. This was after years of not eating anything with fiber, gluten, or nightshades. Their theor…

What's the difference between food and foodstuff?

A foodstuff is a staple or “raw material”, like an input. Flour is a foodstuff. It is also food. However a hamburger is not a foodstuff.
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