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Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by dagmx »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #74
dagmx wrote: post #26

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That’s a very narrow definition of “useful” and one I’d say is rather focused on yourself? Why is Linux the arbiter of what is “useful”? Why would it still be a benchmark flex if it was on macOS, an Os where millions of people do professional work everyday? And why is the iPad just a “Netflix machine” when tons of people use the iPad for professional creative use cases as well?

>And why is the iPad just a “Netflix machine” when tons of people use the iPad for professional creative use cases as well? I never said people can't use iPads for profesional applications, I was asking what professional tasks are people doing with the iPad that necessitated the M4 to be in that closed platform vs the M3 or M2, instead of being put in a more open one like the Mac where it can be put to better use at…

No, people have provided answers. One of those people is me. You just don't like them because you seem to have a problem imaging other people have differing uses than your own.

Edit: this person keeps ignoring any responses that don’t align with their world view and acting like they don’t exist. When challenged they have called multiple people names instead.

I’m not responding to them further to prevent dragging this out further.

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by jjtheblunt »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #13
retskrad wrote: post #4

The M4 is the highest single core CPU in the world and it’s in a ridiculously thin tablet without cooling. I don’t understand where this idea that Apple has lost most of their chip design talent and is in trouble rhetoric is coming from. Apple still makes the world’s most advanced and efficient consumer chips, years after the M1.

>The M4 is the highest single core CPU in the world and it’s in a ridiculously thin tablet That's kind of the problem. The world's most powerful CPU is put in the world's most expensive and thinnest Netflix machine lol. Was the previous "thicker" M3 iPad holding anyone back? All that power and I can't use it to compile the Linux kernel, I can't use it to play the latest Steam/GOG games, or run CAD simulations, becaus…

https://www.linuxfordevices.com/tutorials/linux/linux-on-the...

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by jjtheblunt »

pantalaimon wrote: post #30
Rinzler89 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The M4 is the highest single core CPU in the world and it’s in a ridiculously thin tablet That's kind of the problem. The world's most powerful CPU is put in the world's most expensive and thinnest Netflix machine lol. Was the previous "thicker" M3 iPad holding anyone back? All that power and I can't use it to compile the Linux kernel, I can't use it to play the latest Steam/GOG games, or run CAD simulations, becaus…

> The world's most powerful CPU maybe the most powerful / watt - desktop CPUs like the 9950X are still way more powerful.

by what metric?

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by Rinzler89 »

dagmx wrote: post #81
Rinzler89 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And why is the iPad just a “Netflix machine” when tons of people use the iPad for professional creative use cases as well? I never said people can't use iPads for profesional applications, I was asking what professional tasks are people doing with the iPad that necessitated the M4 to be in that closed platform vs the M3 or M2, instead of being put in a more open one like the Mac where it can be put to better use at…

No, people have provided answers. One of those people is me. You just don't like them because you seem to have a problem imaging other people have differing uses than your own. Edit: this person keeps ignoring any responses that don’t align with their world view and acting like they don’t exist. When challenged they have called multiple people names instead. I’m not responding to them further to prevent dragging this…

Sorry but your answer didn't actually answer what I asked for though. Which is fine, just don't claim you did and then switch to gaslighting me that "I just don't like your answer". Please keep a mature attitude and not act like a toddler.

And it's not just "my use case" that I'm referring to since I don't do any of those, it's generic use cases that I'm talking about in examples, since X86/Qualcomm are also generic chips being used for a shit tonne of use cases and not restricted to certain AppStores like the M4 is in the iPad, so if you bring M4 in comparison with those generic chips then you'd better provide argument on how they're comparable given the current SW platform restrictions, and so far you haven't.

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by rjsw »

hajile wrote: post #73
quic_bcain wrote: post #14

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You don't want a RISC-V laptop. Not yet, at least. It will take quite some doing before those compete with x86_64/arm laptops. Beautiful thing about Windows computers is that it's generally not too hard to make them into linux/BSD/etc computers. :) Qualcomm [1] and some vendors [2][3] are making progress towards linux support though. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.8-ARM-Changes [2] https://www.phoronix.com…

Jim Keller is confident that Ascalon will have performance close to zen5 when it is finished later this year. Chips in hand could be some than a lot of people seen to think.

What GPU will be in it?

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by qwytw »

ben_w wrote: post #38
Rinzler89 wrote: post #33

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What are most people doing with the iPad that they were being held back by the M3 chip in order for the M4 to be such a game changer for them?

All the things in the press release. AI inference. Editing, not merely watching, video. Ditto audio. Gets more done before the battery runs out. I cannot emphasise strongly enough how niche "compile the Linux kernel" is: to most people, once you've explained what those words mean, this is as mad as saying you don't like a Tesla because you recreationally make your own batteries and Tesla cars don't have a warranty-no…

> I cannot emphasise strongly enough how niche "compile the Linux kernel"

You can replace that with compile pretty much any software in general or do any real software development on it which isn't even remotely niche...

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by Rinzler89 »

dagmx wrote: post #80
Rinzler89 wrote: post #72

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Why are you allowed to have an opinion that trivializes how others work, but when other people do, then its astro-turfing?

How are "programs evil" and "apps good"? Without any convincing arguments to back up such claims, they do read like astro-turfing and just regurgitating Tim Cook's keynote speeches. This board is called Hacker News last time I checked, no?

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by qwytw »

ben_w wrote: post #59
Rinzler89 wrote: post #46

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>How many million youtube channels are there, and how exactly do you think that stuff gets made? Magic? Since you asked, they're using Macs and PCs mostly, sometimes Linux too. Rarely iPads though. That's more of a strawmen your building here. And I'm bringing in arguments that X86 and ARM improvements are more important that the M4 chips, because they power the world innovations, and you're bring up editing YouTube…

> Using Macs and PCs mostly, sometimes Linux too. Rarely iPads. That's more of a strawmen your building here. You're arguing as if everyone changes production mode in one go when new hardware arrives. This chip was only released 50 days ago . Your example of "power the world innovations" included "compile Linux kernel" and "play the latest Steam/GOG games". YouTube is more valuable to the world than endlessly recompi…

> example of "power the world innovations" included "compile Linux kernel"

This is a bad faith argument. You should assume compile Linux kernel = doing any software development if you expect to have a rational discussion with anyone.

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by Rinzler89 »

sitkack wrote: post #50
Rinzler89 wrote: post #13

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>The M4 is the highest single core CPU in the world and it’s in a ridiculously thin tablet That's kind of the problem. The world's most powerful CPU is put in the world's most expensive and thinnest Netflix machine lol. Was the previous "thicker" M3 iPad holding anyone back? All that power and I can't use it to compile the Linux kernel, I can't use it to play the latest Steam/GOG games, or run CAD simulations, becaus…

I run Linux in a VM on my M1 mac all day long. That VM was the fastest Linux instance I had anywhere. Faster the my 5950 and way faster than anything in cloud. Your can't using it is your choice.

Sir, in the comment you're replying to, I was talking about the iPad here, not the Mac where you can indeed use most of the M chips potential while on the iPad you can't do that.

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by 0x457 »

ben_w wrote: post #32
Rinzler89 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The M4 is the highest single core CPU in the world and it’s in a ridiculously thin tablet That's kind of the problem. The world's most powerful CPU is put in the world's most expensive and thinnest Netflix machine lol. Was the previous "thicker" M3 iPad holding anyone back? All that power and I can't use it to compile the Linux kernel, I can't use it to play the latest Steam/GOG games, or run CAD simulations, becaus…

No year will ever be "the year of Linux on the desktop", despite that phrase being so old that if I'd conceived a child when I first heard it, I'd be a grandparent already. The fact that you can't imagine a device being useful until it can compile the Linux kernel etc., that you dismiss it as a "Netflix machine", says more about you than about Apple.

> the year of Linux on the desktop

It already happened: Windows + WSL2. Windows is the best linux distro.

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