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(This comment is all 3, and in fact is the ultimate cliché of this topic, and has been for many years. We're trying to avoid repetition here, and especially ultrarepetition and indignirepetition.)
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Well, computing is a profession where historically women were not only good at it, they were nearly exclusively occupying the industry. When pay went up it inverted and that is really the problem. Men colonized computing and pushed women out only when it became a source of good income and respected as a profession.
Sad to see you downvoted for a comment that's true to history. The pre personal computer days had an army of women in computing. The UK had “Steve” Shirley, she built a billionaire dollar tech company in the 1960s https://www.computer.org/publications/tech-news/research/dam... Growing up it was largely women that taught me how to fly and maintain aircraft, how to set the timing on shot holes to take apart square kilm…
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Well, computing is a profession where historically women were not only good at it, they were nearly exclusively occupying the industry. When pay went up it inverted and that is really the problem. Men colonized computing and pushed women out only when it became a source of good income and respected as a profession.
You're using some loaded terms there. How exactly did men "push" women out of computing?
Women were just as free as men to create their own tech startups. Yet in the past 50 years most tech startups and today's tech giants were created by men. Some women are tech entrepreneurs today, but the field is highly male dominated. We see the same ratio in engineering education, and in most companies not actively discriminating against male candidates.
The idea that there is some systemic discrimination against women in tech is ridiculous. There are specific cases of wage gap some companies need to address (which is a general problem not exclusive to tech), but most companies would hire capable women if they applied. Yet they rarely do.
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Just because a gender gap exists in Y, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also try to minimize it in X.
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Just because a gender gap exists in Y, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also try to minimize it in X.
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Well, computing is a profession where historically women were not only good at it, they were nearly exclusively occupying the industry. When pay went up it inverted and that is really the problem. Men colonized computing and pushed women out only when it became a source of good income and respected as a profession.
That was true when computing was running tabulating machines. That led to the early ENIAC programmers (all 6 of them) being women since they had traditionally run the tabulating machines. However men had been programming before this (e.g., Zuse, others developing hardware and testing it).
Once "computing" became what modern people think of as programming, men dominated, not because of sudden sex discrimination or exclusion in computing, but because the input pipeline of what a programmer did changed to people coming from academia instead.
The first computer science degree in the world (Cambridge 1953) drew students of math and engineering. The first in the US (Purdue, 1962, first MS degrees 1964, first PhDs 1966) did the same.
So it's likely as the field expanded women were not pushed out as much as more men joined in.
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