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Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by s1artibartfast »

laserlight wrote: post #119
s1artibartfast wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is any different for physical property. What is a pound of gold worth when you are defenseless and someone else has armed men willing to kill you. Might makes right and owns all property is the default. Every situation that deviates from this is imposed by governments. A market around physical goods is no different.

Why did you choose gold as an example? How about a sword? Claiming that physical and intellectual property are the same is reductionistic at best. The fact that both properties are protected by power doesn't mean that they are the same. Physical property is not copyable. Intellectual property is.

Im not saying they are the same, and stated as much above.

I am saying their relation to the government is the same. Government maintains both, and creates a market for them by doing so.

No government> no private property> no goods for sale.

I dont see how copyable is relevant at all.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by NautilusWave »

xiiiixi wrote: post #66
tehwebguy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article says nobody is responding as defendant except one individual who has filed a motion to dismiss based on being misidentified. I don’t know the status of that motion though.

[flagged]

Sounds just like the FBI's hair comparison analysis technique.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by matheusmoreira »

advael wrote: post #3

I feel obligated to say my usual "IP is at this point doing more harm than good" spiel here but don't have the time budget to argue it with people today

I can respect that. I've been commenting on the insanity of intellectual property and calling for its abolishment for years. Now I'm thinking about writing an article on it with my opinions so I can just point to it instead of arguing the same points over and over again.

Expressing views on HN doesn't directly change anything but there's some benefits. For example, over years it's become clear to me that I'm not alone in thinking this system is screwed up. Every time I expressed some "unhinged" opinions, as some people here called them, it felt like going against the status quo, against all odds. Inevitably though, somebody else would show up and show me that I'm not insane, in fact I'm not even being radical enough.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by CamperBob2 »

squigz wrote: post #96
CamperBob2 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1 PB of disk space would cost about $10K at this point in time. Not exactly unattainable. Looks like it would fit in a volume of space about the size of a standard refrigerator. I'd be OK with both requirements.

It doesn't seem reasonable to me to suggest that an average person would spend $10,000+ (and the time to maintain it) on a pirate archive, hence my comment. On the other hand, contributing a TB or two to a torrent swarm is much more feasible for most people. In any case, if you're okay with that, you should do it. Please report back in 6 months with how it's going.

In any case, if you're okay with that, you should do it. Please report back in 6 months with how it's going.

Point being, if I tried to torrent the whole thing, it probably would take 6 months, and would likely get me booted from my ISP and/or sued. I would much rather buy a set of hard drives with the contents already loaded. Or tapes, as userbinator suggests.

(And as for the hypothetical "average person" you keep citing, I don't see anyone meeting that description around here.)

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by gbear605 »

tivert wrote: post #110
jacobr1 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best model I've seen for patents is increasingly escalating renewal fees for periodic terms. Such as get the first 5 years for very limited fees, every 5 years (up to some max such as 30) require 2-5x to renew or the patent expires. The exponentially increasing fees limit the hoarding of patents without direct economic benefits, but the high cost means you are able to provide offsetting social benefits while stil…

> The best model I've seen for patents is increasingly escalating renewal fees for periodic terms. Such as get the first 5 years for very limited fees, every 5 years (up to some max such as 30) require 2-5x to renew or the patent expires. The exponentially increasing fees limit the hoarding of patents without direct economic benefits, but the high cost means you are able to provide offsetting social benefits while st…

If the scale is exponential, it becomes billions of dollars to keep a patent after a couple decades. Then trillions, at some point after which they’ve decided to give up the patent. Many companies are rich, but they aren’t infinitely rich.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by exe34 »

marshray wrote: post #129
kragen wrote: post #97

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it's an interesting question, and hopefully after a few decades of repealing intellectual property laws, we can find out. 40 years ago it wasn't obvious that anything like nvidia could exist in the first place. possibilities include: - no company like nvidia could exist, and for chip design and fabrication we'd be stuck with companies like intel, digital, micron, samsung, and texas instruments; but many other kinds o…

I assure you that 40 years ago chip companies were suing each other over IP just like today, if not worse. > using electron beams rather than multibillion-dollar euv fabs If this were possible it would be happening now.

> If this were possible it would be happening now.

that's an odd thing to say. if it's possible now it should have been happening 10 years ago? when does the infinite regress stop?

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by matheusmoreira »

chongli wrote: post #57
advael wrote: post #3

I feel obligated to say my usual "IP is at this point doing more harm than good" spiel here but don't have the time budget to argue it with people today

IP-intensive industries contribute 41% of the US GDP and employ 44% of the US workforce [1]. If you abolished IP all of that would go away. How would you replace that? I'm not a fan of IP either but I think it's pretty hard to escape that reality. Big companies like NVIDIA (3T market cap) are almost 100% IP. IP is more-or-less central to the US's economic and security strategy. Without it, the country loses a huge am…

> IP is more-or-less central to the US's economic and security strategy. Without it, the country loses a huge amount of power and influence in the world.

Yes, please.

I mean, have you read the USTR's glorified naughty list of countries and their utter contempt for the business models of american corporations? "Our stakeholders" this, "our stakeholders" that. These corporations literally leverage the military might of the USA to extract profit worldwide. There are countries out there where people do not have basic sanitation, the last thing they care about is policing the imaginary property of americans. But Wall Street won't have it so.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by squigz »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #134
squigz wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't seem reasonable to me to suggest that an average person would spend $10,000+ (and the time to maintain it) on a pirate archive, hence my comment. On the other hand, contributing a TB or two to a torrent swarm is much more feasible for most people. In any case, if you're okay with that, you should do it. Please report back in 6 months with how it's going.

In any case, if you're okay with that, you should do it. Please report back in 6 months with how it's going. Point being, if I tried to torrent the whole thing, it probably would take 6 months, and would likely get me booted from my ISP and/or sued. I would much rather buy a set of hard drives with the contents already loaded. Or tapes, as userbinator suggests. (And as for the hypothetical "average person" you keep c…

> I would much rather buy a set of hard drives with the contents already loaded. Or tapes, as userbinator suggests.

And my point is that this is an absurd suggestion. I shouldn't have to explain why a shadow library shouldn't be selling (tens of) thousands of dollars worth of hard drives containing pirated content. Beyond that, and what I was getting at earlier, is that maintaining a 1PB storage array at home isn't exactly easy, or cheap.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by realusername »

tivert wrote: post #112
chongli wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does a company like NVIDIA operate without IP law? They are fabless. Everything they produce is digital, either in the form of software or in the form of chip designs. As far as I can tell, without protection from IP law (patents, copyrights, trade secrets) NVIDIA could not function as a company. They would have no means whatsoever at preventing a fab like TSMC from manufacturing clones of their devices and selli…

> How does a company like NVIDIA operate without IP law? Don't bother us with such complexities. We developed our ideas about IP after being outraged by attempts to stop our piracy of music and movies, and carefully reviewing lists of all the cons of IP (after completely ignoring and throwing out the list of the pros). The only righteous path is for the law to be reform to reflect our views.

Since the current copyright system is very extreme, it makes sense that some opposite extreme opinions have developed as a reaction.

Making the copyright system more reasonable would increase it's perceived social worth.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by udev4096 »

vundercind wrote: post #127
langsoul-com wrote: post #105

Why does cloudflare cost $600k for 2 years? What exactly are they paying for? Surely

High-transfer users can easily pay tens of thousands a month to a CDN. And not even that high an amount of transfer, even. Not like Steam or someone like that. Cloudflare also offers other services and likes to bundle them with their enterprise accounts. They don’t really compete on transfer costs vs other decent CDNs. They prefer you’re using lots of their stuff than just watching the meter every month. They may hav…

Why not rent servers from hetzner or ovh for a lot less and setup a CDN of their own? Or is it difficult to do that?
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