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First anode-free sodium solid-state battery

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Re: First anode-free sodium solid-state battery

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Post by lazide »

redundantly wrote: post #110
thinkcontext wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your units are wrong, kw not kwh. And your decimal place is wrong, the going rate is around $3 per watt. And I'm not sure how you were trying to relate that to battery storage.

I believe the person you responded to was talking about battery storage for solar set ups.

There is zero chance right now of any battery storage being in the $3/kwh range. Even in the manager-of-the-battery-factory-took-some-home-for-cost situation.

That would be one of these [https://www.amazon.com/LiFePO4-Battery-Perfect-Applications-...] for $3, if we were only talking batteries. No MPPT or line chargers, etc.

That’s about what the plastic and internal bus components are going to cost for that battery, with no actual battery internals.

Re: First anode-free sodium solid-state battery

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Post by grecy »

papercrane wrote: post #109
grecy wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two months ago I got 6.8kW installed on my house for $13,000CAD. Some of that was DIY, but I just bought the whole system retail. So just under $2 CAD/kW installed and running - inverter, licensed electrician and permits, everything. (That's under $1.50 USD/kW) The panels are now cheaper than when I bought them too :)

Where did you get the kit from? I've been considering it, and I figured $2 CAD/kW is the 10-year break even point for me, which would be amazing since you can get a 10 year interest free loan for it.

I googled around for a while, and found pioneersolarenergy.com. Super helpful, good shipping price, etc.

As well as the 10 year interest free loan check if your province has any rebates. The "Greener Homes" grant gave me $5k (So I only have $8k on the loan). It just made 1000 kWh in June, I'm super happy.

Re: First anode-free sodium solid-state battery

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Post by gpm »

wezdog1 wrote: post #91
idiotsecant wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're the one making claims its on you to provide sources. If you're just saying things and putting question marks on the end people are going to treat it the same way they treat newspaper headlines, which is to say any headline ending in a question mark probably has an answer of no.

I read this as asking questions not making claims.

It's worth reading an article about "just asking questions" as a bad faith debating tactic if you haven't heard of it before. Here's a random article about it: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

Re: First anode-free sodium solid-state battery

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Post by gpm »

pfdietz wrote: post #78
froggy wrote: post #51

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EOS Energy (zinc-bromide grid-scale batteries), just christened their first automated manufacturing line and have entered mass production.

They've been around forever, originally with zinc-air batteries. That must have failed somehow.

Does this comment have a purpose?

If they're still rolling out new manufacturing lines, they are clearly still kicking and have investors who believe they have a viable product.

Did they have to move on from one technology? I mean I've never heard of them before but if you say so, that's not really that surprising with how fast with battery technology is evolving.

Re: First anode-free sodium solid-state battery

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Post by SoftTalker »

grecy wrote: post #107
portpecos wrote: post #99

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Just a side note, most quotes I got from companies installing solar panels on my roof ranged between $3/kWh to $4/kWh.

Two months ago I got 6.8kW installed on my house for $13,000CAD. Some of that was DIY, but I just bought the whole system retail. So just under $2 CAD/kW installed and running - inverter, licensed electrician and permits, everything. (That's under $1.50 USD/kW) The panels are now cheaper than when I bought them too :)

$13,000 / 6.8kW = just under $2,000/kW. Or did you mean W?

Re: First anode-free sodium solid-state battery

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Post by [deleted] »

SoftTalker wrote: post #115
grecy wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two months ago I got 6.8kW installed on my house for $13,000CAD. Some of that was DIY, but I just bought the whole system retail. So just under $2 CAD/kW installed and running - inverter, licensed electrician and permits, everything. (That's under $1.50 USD/kW) The panels are now cheaper than when I bought them too :)

$13,000 / 6.8kW = just under $2,000/kW. Or did you mean W?

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Re: First anode-free sodium solid-state battery

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Post by chefandy »

turblety wrote: post #15

Great, yet another new battery revelation that will never come to market. Why is this? Why do we constantly hear of these amazing, technical advances, but yet we never see any of it come to market? - Lithium-Sulfur Batteries - Solid-State Batteries - Sodium-Ion Batteries - Aluminum-Ion Batteries - Silicon Anode Batteries - Magnesium-Ion Batteries - Lithium-Air Batteries - Zinc-Air Batteries - Flow Batteries - Graphen…

If you're only interested in technologies ready for imminent public distribution, you should probably ignore coverage about early research and check out press releases from battery manufacturers. If that's not good enough... try amazon?

Re: First anode-free sodium solid-state battery

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Post by pfdietz »

gpm wrote: post #114
pfdietz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've been around forever, originally with zinc-air batteries. That must have failed somehow.

Does this comment have a purpose? If they're still rolling out new manufacturing lines, they are clearly still kicking and have investors who believe they have a viable product. Did they have to move on from one technology? I mean I've never heard of them before but if you say so, that's not really that surprising with how fast with battery technology is evolving.

Yes, it's that they have a history of promoting a technology that never arrived.

Use of bromine doesn't sound terribly practical.

Re: First anode-free sodium solid-state battery

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Post by zizee »

SoftTalker wrote: post #116
system2 wrote: post #106

Realistically, when are we going to see a consumer grade lithium battery replacement?

2040. There is a lot of investment in lithium batteries that needs to earn profits first.

Cars are already shipping with Sodium based batteries, and you can buy the cells yourself on Alibaba

https://electrek.co/2023/12/27/volkswagen-backed-ev-maker-fi...

https://www.alibaba.com/premium/sodium_ion_battery/---------...

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