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Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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The title alone makes me shiver. Apple "okays" what a government orders them to do. What!?? You and I look right through this power language, but this kind of wording makes people believe Apple is mightier than it is. It's disgusting from Reuters.

The alternative is to leave EU market. They do have a choice in the matter.

Could they even do that without giving up their Irish tax shelter?

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

#52
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That the only way to get applications on your phone is going through Apple, or a gatekeeper approved by apple, is a problem in itself too. That the first "app store" approved is built on predatory free to play gaming money is also a problem.

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Buy Google junk?

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

#53

That third party app stores are subject to review by apple is a problem in itself.

> third party app stores are subject to review by apple is a problem in itself Anybody speaking with certainty on these questions should be distrusted. We don’t know. We now have a natural experiment between the EU and U.S. My suspicion is we’ll see Orwellian corporate surveillance through mandated alternative marketplaces, e.g. Facebook requiring an Eye of Sauron marketplace to get around Apple’s rules, but that’s j…

You're right to be distrustful.

It's easy for people to read the law — or worse, opinions about the law — and mistake this for knowledge. One of the benefits to me for ChatGPT is that it gives me a stick to measure against: I know it's flawed because of how it writes code, and I know it will be that level of wrong about law too, and I also know that it's wildly better about law than I am. This makes the degree of my own ignorance much more intuitive, and reminds me that I can't just look at the text of the law and go "ah-ha!"

While I suspect you're right that Facebook will attempt this, I suspect they are much like Apple when it comes to not really believing that the EU is serious, and it will explode in their faces — a few years back, Apple put in rules for advertising privacy ID, which (while acknowledging my ignorance above) didn't seem too different from what the law required, yet Facebook was very unhappy about this.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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post #22

That third party app stores are subject to review by apple is a problem in itself.

That the only way to get applications on your phone is going through Apple, or a gatekeeper approved by apple, is a problem in itself too. That the first "app store" approved is built on predatory free to play gaming money is also a problem.

The first app store approved is Altstore PAL: https://rileytestut.com/blog/2024/04/17/introducing-altstore...

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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post #44
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That the only way to get applications on your phone is going through Apple, or a gatekeeper approved by apple, is a problem in itself too. That the first "app store" approved is built on predatory free to play gaming money is also a problem.

What is “predatory free to play” in the context of Fortnite?

The kind of free to play with dark patterns that the FTC fines you for: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/03/...

Most interesting is this section:

> Fortnite’s counterintuitive, inconsistent, and confusing button configuration led players to incur unwanted charges based on the press of a single button.

Apple is also taking aim at Epic here for using buttons and labels identical to the ones that they use - I’m curious to actually see these buttons, and I wonder if they are being used intentionally.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

#56
post #44
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That the only way to get applications on your phone is going through Apple, or a gatekeeper approved by apple, is a problem in itself too. That the first "app store" approved is built on predatory free to play gaming money is also a problem.

What is “predatory free to play” in the context of Fortnite?

Fortnite isn't financed from IAPs?

Tencent didn't get all their investment money from Gacha in the asian market?

And please don't tell me Tencent is a minority investor or that there are non predatory IAPs or I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

#57
post #31

Apple needs to be heavily taxed and regulated into operating their devices like general computers free of their authoritarianism

Why? You can buy an Android, or one of its derivatives, or a Huawei.

Funny how people here are “anti communism” but suggest communism core principles all the time.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

#58
post #48

The title alone makes me shiver. Apple "okays" what a government orders them to do. What!?? You and I look right through this power language, but this kind of wording makes people believe Apple is mightier than it is. It's disgusting from Reuters.

The alternative is to leave EU market. They do have a choice in the matter.

Both are good choices TBH. Maybe Apple is utterly incompatible with the way we Europeans (at least western part for sure) treat freedom and moral behavior and expect companies adhere to those principles. Not empty phrases or half-assed gestures all over the place, but real, concrete, measurable, long term at least good enough behavior.

I'd say fine every transgression progressively so much it hurts their finances so badly they actually make that choice, once and for good (for Apple this would be tens of billions each time depending on the case). But cca 450 million potential customers and rich market ain't something to ignore, shares would take 50% or more cut easily.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That the only way to get applications on your phone is going through Apple, or a gatekeeper approved by apple, is a problem in itself too. That the first "app store" approved is built on predatory free to play gaming money is also a problem.

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Yes it is. It is a problem for Epic games for instance.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

#60

That third party app stores are subject to review by apple is a problem in itself.

> third party app stores are subject to review by apple is a problem in itself Anybody speaking with certainty on these questions should be distrusted. We don’t know. We now have a natural experiment between the EU and U.S. My suspicion is we’ll see Orwellian corporate surveillance through mandated alternative marketplaces, e.g. Facebook requiring an Eye of Sauron marketplace to get around Apple’s rules, but that’s j…

Don't iPhone users in China already interface with effectively a separate app store? I bet you won't find history edu apps detailing the events of June 4 1989 there.
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