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Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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The iskander and lancet drones are absolutely not used to nearly the same efficacy as atacms. Those things are regularly just hurled at low value civilian targets in large part because of poor targeting. They’re generally not the road mobile variety either. The most potent weapon in their arsenal right now in terms of battlefield value are their helicopters and glide bombs

You seem to have a narrow information bubble. I've some a large number of effective Iskander strikes. The only reason it's not pumping out only A-tier videos like ATACMS is because Patriot defends the most important assets and S-400 (or their staff) is a paper tiger that can't handle a maneuverable ballistic missile. But that hasn't stopped it from dealing some important blows and being a very valuable weapon.

You're kinda arguing about something else, though.

Ukraine is hitting Russian air defenses with ATACMS, successfully and repeatedly. Corresponding attempts with Iskanders and Kinzhals to target the Patriots have largely failed.

There seems to be a wide gap in capability between the two scenarios - in either the attacking missiles, the defending systems, or both. Ukraine doesn't have enough Patriots to defend everywhere, but they're dramatically more effective than the Russian equivalents where they are stationed.

If nothing else, the war has been a huge advertising boon for Western defense contractors.

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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post #119

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You seem to have a narrow information bubble. I've some a large number of effective Iskander strikes. The only reason it's not pumping out only A-tier videos like ATACMS is because Patriot defends the most important assets and S-400 (or their staff) is a paper tiger that can't handle a maneuverable ballistic missile. But that hasn't stopped it from dealing some important blows and being a very valuable weapon.

You're kinda arguing about something else, though. Ukraine is hitting Russian air defenses with ATACMS, successfully and repeatedly. Corresponding attempts with Iskanders and Kinzhals to target the Patriots have largely failed. There seems to be a wide gap in capability between the two scenarios - in either the attacking missiles, the defending systems, or both. Ukraine doesn't have enough Patriots to defend everywhe…

My assertion was Iskander is one of Russias best weapons, arguably more effective than Kalibr per rate of fire and very likely equivalent to ATACMS, or possibly better in terms of capabilities given it's a larger munition.

> There seems to be a wide gap in capability between the two scenario

This is entirely premised on Russian air defense being equal in high value areas vs Ballistic missiles (which is easily the hardest test, even for the US). Patriot systems were tested many times IRL against SCUD missiles during Desert storm and more recently vs Iran, plus general skill available in US R&D/military, while Russia never tested their S-400 systems in (real) combat and is notorious for poor maintenance/training.

Unless you equalize these 2 things it's a moot point. RU missile teams have had plenty of press about improving their operational effectiveness in the last year. AA has not.

Additionally, these systems aren't that sophisticated, it's GPS+inertial navigation+maneuvering+maybe some limited anti-EW. The rest is intelligence, EW, operators, etc. ATACMS was designed in the mid 1980s after all...

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Was there a radar on that site or did they destroy a bunch of launchers that had already fired? (not sure I understand what I'm watching)

Very likely radar is in the middle of the launchers, from comments: S-300/400 TEL have to stay close to the Radar for mainly two reasons. The Radar vehicle also has the generator supplying the TELs with electricity. and the even more important reason is that the radar data can only be transmited over a short distance so if the TEL is too far out it can't get data from the Radar anymore. Edit: max range for a S-300 is…

Ah. Quite different than the Patriot then. Thanks for explaining.

I just assume the missiles they launched were trying to intercept incoming ATACMS rounds and they either failed to intercept, or they were outnumbered. Not a good day for the Russian side.

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Maybe we could have avoided it. Maybe not. It's wishful thinking to say "All we had to do was give them what they wanted." I'll skip the tired historical comparison, but just point out that we can't know the counterfactual. I certainly do not deny American entitlement and exceptionalism, and I think it's a massive mistake on our part. But nobody in the US (or Europe) has any designs on Russian territory. Our mistake…

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Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Maybe we could have avoided it. Maybe not. It's wishful thinking to say "All we had to do was give them what they wanted." I'll skip the tired historical comparison, but just point out that we can't know the counterfactual. I certainly do not deny American entitlement and exceptionalism, and I think it's a massive mistake on our part. But nobody in the US (or Europe) has any designs on Russian territory. Our mistake…

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Hard to see how they are stronger after this

Russia is already dependent on North Korea munitions and drones from Iran ffs

For reference, in 2003 the US military deployed half-way around the world and captured Baghdad in 3 weeks

Nuclear super-power Russia has not been able to reach Kiev - just 6 hours away - in 28 months of open conflict

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Article claims that ATACMS have been highly effective, but all 5 missiles launched at Crimea recently were shot down. As usual, everything is completely unclear in this stalemate war where both sides regularly claim overwhelming successes yet nothing has changed for 2 years.

> Article claims that ATACMS have been highly effective, but all 5 missiles launched at Crimea recently were shot down. Which is not at all in contradiction. The ATACMS could have been highly successful but not any longer. In fact, this would be exactly what you would expect if the claims in the article are true. > As usual, everything is completely unclear in this stalemate war where both sides regularly claim overw…

That's the second time in this thread that I've seen this "Russia lost significant land to China". So far as I am aware, the border has not moved. So what are you referring to?

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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>My point is that if defecting in a tank though frontline is possible, finding means to move a rocket will be even easier Really, but you also failed the imagination test on how to do it. AFAIK this is all Ruzzian propaganda for idiots int he West, same idiots that believe Zelenksy bought a new mansion and sports car this week or that Macron and Obama's Wives are men. I am sure it is much easier to grab rocket secret…

Your entire post has nothing to do with mine.

Your entire post is based on Ruzzian fake news. I am doing my job to ensure no other HNers falls for such bullshit.

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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It’s really quite reasonable. The basic capabilities of the ATACMS are not hugely changed and have been available for decades. Russia does not have an equivalent that is demonstrably deployed effectively. They’re also not the focal point of US military development. The quality of Russian equipment being deployed right now is really bad. The limiting factor here is not “science”. Fun bonus if you want to watch some pe…

Russia does not have an equivalent that is demonstrably deployed effectively. Ukraine is being hit with Iskander-M all the time, e.g. just days ago at Myrhorod taking out SU-27s. The quality of Russian equipment being deployed right now is really bad. And yet Ukraine is still losing territory, countless men, and the war. This blasé attitude is just bizarre, as if NATO has a secret stock of wunderwaffen about to be ar…

It is Russian propaganda narrative to claim, that Russia is fighting NATO. There might not be some Wunderwaffe somewhere, but nato is also not providing everything it has and all the quantities. The conflict cannot be compared to fighting nato. The co flict is some nato countries drip sending equipment to another country, and also far from sending all quantity they have.

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Weasel words. When were Russian aircraft last seen over Kharkiv? Has the Russian navy kept or lost the ability to blockade Ukrainian shipping? You can say it was just a few missile attacks, but did the Russians keep their ability to blockade or not? And so on.

Theyre glide bombing all along the line of contact.

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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You seem to have a narrow information bubble. I've some a large number of effective Iskander strikes. The only reason it's not pumping out only A-tier videos like ATACMS is because Patriot defends the most important assets and S-400 (or their staff) is a paper tiger that can't handle a maneuverable ballistic missile. But that hasn't stopped it from dealing some important blows and being a very valuable weapon.

You're kinda arguing about something else, though. Ukraine is hitting Russian air defenses with ATACMS, successfully and repeatedly. Corresponding attempts with Iskanders and Kinzhals to target the Patriots have largely failed. There seems to be a wide gap in capability between the two scenarios - in either the attacking missiles, the defending systems, or both. Ukraine doesn't have enough Patriots to defend everywhe…

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