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Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by addicted »

klrtla wrote: post #31

Article claims that ATACMS have been highly effective, but all 5 missiles launched at Crimea recently were shot down. As usual, everything is completely unclear in this stalemate war where both sides regularly claim overwhelming successes yet nothing has changed for 2 years.

> Article claims that ATACMS have been highly effective, but all 5 missiles launched at Crimea recently were shot down.

Which is not at all in contradiction. The ATACMS could have been highly successful but not any longer. In fact, this would be exactly what you would expect if the claims in the article are true.

> As usual, everything is completely unclear in this stalemate war where both sides regularly claim overwhelming successes yet nothing has changed for 2 years.

Yeah it’s insane Russia continues in this war of aggression where they’re gaining no land, losing people at a clip of 2-3:1, losing its most modern weaponry against the decades old cast offs of the West, is reduced to begging North Korea for help, has probably already lost significant amounts of land to China, and all this against a country that until a decade ago didn’t barely had a military.

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by Tade0 »

kibwen wrote: post #13

You'd have to be either a liar or a fool to publicly admit that you've deciphered something about your opponent's secret capabilities. The allies didn't go bragging to the Nazis every time that they broke the enigma machine.

There's a whole field of study, named Kremlinology, dedicated to deciphering what was it that the people there actually meant by saying this and that.

I used to think that I had some additional insight, hailing from a country neighbouring Russia, but it takes being born on former soviet territory to fully understand their line of thinking.

It's not that it's particularly sophisticated - just utterly foreign to anyone even west-adjacent.

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by medo-bear »

kibwen wrote: post #13

You'd have to be either a liar or a fool to publicly admit that you've deciphered something about your opponent's secret capabilities. The allies didn't go bragging to the Nazis every time that they broke the enigma machine.

I think this is pretty effective. These systems cost a lot to develop. If they are worthless then that money could definitely have been better spent elsewhere. There is a real sense of worry about the financial burden of Ukraine conflict amongst Ukraine's supporters

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by onemoresoop »

kibwen wrote: post #13

You'd have to be either a liar or a fool to publicly admit that you've deciphered something about your opponent's secret capabilities. The allies didn't go bragging to the Nazis every time that they broke the enigma machine.

Russian propaganda's target audience isn't very smart nor things critically. But their propaganda overall has been an effective operation I'd say.

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by jncfhnb »

dmix wrote: post #35
jncfhnb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely has not kept up. ATACMs are 30 years old. Russia just doesn’t have anything like it.

Russia struggles to shoot down ATACMs, even with their most advanced SAMS, but they do have road mobile versions of Iskander which is pretty similar. They are just bigger and twice the cost.

Very little evidence of these being used to any effect comparable to ATACMs

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by medo-bear »

Tade0 wrote: post #43
kibwen wrote: post #13

You'd have to be either a liar or a fool to publicly admit that you've deciphered something about your opponent's secret capabilities. The allies didn't go bragging to the Nazis every time that they broke the enigma machine.

There's a whole field of study, named Kremlinology, dedicated to deciphering what was it that the people there actually meant by saying this and that. I used to think that I had some additional insight, hailing from a country neighbouring Russia, but it takes being born on former soviet territory to fully understand their line of thinking. It's not that it's particularly sophisticated - just utterly foreign to anyone…

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Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by speeder »

addicted wrote: post #41
klrtla wrote: post #31

Article claims that ATACMS have been highly effective, but all 5 missiles launched at Crimea recently were shot down. As usual, everything is completely unclear in this stalemate war where both sides regularly claim overwhelming successes yet nothing has changed for 2 years.

> Article claims that ATACMS have been highly effective, but all 5 missiles launched at Crimea recently were shot down. Which is not at all in contradiction. The ATACMS could have been highly successful but not any longer. In fact, this would be exactly what you would expect if the claims in the article are true. > As usual, everything is completely unclear in this stalemate war where both sides regularly claim overw…

People bashing Russia military but asking why Russia is attacking Ukraine are not figuring out that is exactly the reason for the war.

Ukraine border is too close to Moscow, it is easy to go from Ukraine to Moscow and Russia know they would fail to defend themselves from a NATO land invasion from there. Thus why they are willing to pay a very high price to ensure this won't happen.

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