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Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by taneq » Thu, Jul 04, 2024, 11:09 AM UTC

Jensson wrote: post #553

johnnyanmac wrote: post #538

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cold calling isn't an art, but smooth talking/networking is. There's no exact science to making people feel good and wanting to form a relationship with you (despite centuries of literature claiming that there is).

Programming and just about every other job is an art as well with that argument. If we aren't allowed to automate away that then we aren't allowed to automate anything.

If it's not an art then if we make the best example of something, what would that example be the state of?

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by croes » Thu, Jul 04, 2024, 12:52 PM UTC

k8sagic wrote: post #541

commodoreboxer wrote: post #524

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My issue was with "we know what modern entertainment looks like" as if humans are now incapable of enjoying themselves without a screen. And you should care about a massive market increase when it's directly relevant to the point at hand. If the initial point was "we know what modern entertainment looks like, nobody plays board games or reads books", pointing out that the board game market has more than doubled in th…

AI and ML will help a lot of people and already does. Alpha Fold / protein folding will help us with cancer. We will have better batterires thanks to ml material research. We will be able to calculate and optimize everything related to flow like wind. The last thing we need to optimize is compute and compute is what has the most money anyway. One of the first industries going green is datacenters. Google for example…

BTW

>Google’s Emissions Shot Up 48% Over Five Years Due to AI

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40874517

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by antonellaleo » Thu, Jul 04, 2024, 3:30 PM UTC

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Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by bob_theslob646 » Thu, Jul 04, 2024, 3:43 PM UTC

surfingdino wrote: post #207

It's all fun and games until HR use AI to write your annual performance review in which it is suggested that you got fired for sexual misconduct (this hallucinated from other guy's HR files), won a sales bonus for selling AI to your company (it was the other way round and it's the sales guy who got it), and are due to enter retirement (you are 29, but most of the company is over 50, so the probabilistic model prefers…

Wait...how was this resolved?

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by sherwinx » Thu, Jul 04, 2024, 4:53 PM UTC

I open emails because I believe you spent time on me, which is precious, so I reply. If an AI generates cold emails, there's no real time spent, making personalization feel deceptive, which is bad for user experience.

AI spam emails will definitely happen on a large scale in the future, but on the optimistic side, we'll have AI assistants to read every email. Personalization won't really matter; it only matters if the marketed service is genuinely useful to me. In the future, if I have a need, my AI will find the best solution by considering many options. Previously, this was time-consuming, but now AI ensures we find the most suitable solution.

No fancy marketing will be needed because AI will filter most of them. In the end, marketers will find that the most efficient way to market is to honestly list out your service/product specs, as AI will compare them. On the other hand, for things I'm not sure I need, AI will help judge if they are indeed useful to me, regardless of how fancy the email/call is. If they are, it will facilitate cooperation; if not, it will skip them.

Therefore, marketing may still have a role: to help you discover things you aren't fully aware you need, and AI will help you decide if you really need them.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by davidgerard » Thu, Jul 04, 2024, 6:38 PM UTC

richrichie wrote: post #569

davidgerard wrote: post #566

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> Compare energy spent on global hash rate to all energy spent by mining metals, physical banking, financial services middle persons, etc. if you want to talk about energy usage and make any kind of sense. you're ending up with the entire rest of civilisation on the other side of that * Bitcoin, 0.5% of all energy use: 7 transactions per second total worldwide * THE ENTIRE REST OF CIVILISATION AND EVERYONE IN IT AND…

You are not comparing apples to apples. BTC is comparable to gold or US treasuries. How often do you transact in physical gold? What is time taken from a piece of gold in your pocket to cash to coffee? However, you can transact in paper gold eg the ETF GLD in microseconds with comparatively much lower transaction costs (settlement is still not immediate). How often do you transact in treasury bonds? Try paying for a…

BTC is not comparable to useful things, except in the promotional posts of bitcoin fans.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by r3db34rd » Thu, Jul 04, 2024, 9:02 PM UTC

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Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by smsm42 » Thu, Jul 04, 2024, 10:38 PM UTC

ossyrial wrote: post #238

The author links to the somewhat dystopian blog where the email sender is quite proud of their work. Their words (or perhaps that of an LLM): > Could an AI agent craft compelling emails that would capture people's attention and drive engagement, all while maintaining a level of personalization that feels human? I decided to find out. > The real hurdle was ensuring the emails seemed genuinely personalized and not spam…

I know my recipient would hate getting an automated email, so as a start of our relationship, I'm going to send them an automated email designed to deceive them. I'm sure it's a beginning of a beautiful friendship.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by k8sagic » Thu, Jul 04, 2024, 10:53 PM UTC

croes wrote: post #565

k8sagic wrote: post #364

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Have you checked how much co2 a normal car drive creates vs. watching a movie online? We need to be realistic here. We know what modern entertainment looks like and its not realistic at all to just 'read books' and play board games.

But it's realistic that we watch movies online than in cinemas. And don't forget the datacenters of the movies need to run even if no one watches. My car doesn't produce CO2 whe I don't drive.

Datacenters always run because there is always something to do.

For everything else, there are already plenty of energy saving mechanism build into the CPUs, Mainboards, Disks etc. A Datacenter doesn't run on 100% Energy just because the load is reduced.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by k8sagic » Thu, Jul 04, 2024, 10:57 PM UTC

croes wrote: post #568

mrtranscendence wrote: post #515

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You're missing the point. What's not realistic is to tell everyone that they should abstain from any type of entertainment that requires power (TV shows, movies, video games, etc) and should only read books and play board games instead. I don't care what kind of renaissance board games are undergoing, most people still only play the mass market classics, and then only rarely. I don't know how much energy Netflix uses…

You are missing the point too. Driving too the cinema to watch a movie produces more CO2 than watch one movie online but online makes it more convenient so you watch more. That sums up to more CO2 emission. The point is that higher efficency is wortless in terms of CO2 emissions if it leads to higher usage that compensates for the savings. If a programmer can program faster with AI it's good if he only needs 1 hour i…

I. believe that watching mulitply movies is still a lot more co2 efficient than driving a car to a big independent room, which gets heated and than also shows a movie through a big projector than having a tv running and streaming it from the internet.