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Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by atoav »

MarioMan wrote: post #402
atoav wrote: post #187

I use catchall email addresses. If your service is called foobar.com I will register at your place with foobar.com@mydomain.com If I ever receive spam addressed to foobar.com@mydomain.com that is unrelated to your service I know you leaked or abused my data. Result: you will get a DSGVO complaint and I filter all emails addressed to this address from my inbox. The good thing about using a catchall email address is th…

While some companies filter against this, most email services support plus addressing to accomplish the same thing. You can register under myemail+foobar.com@gmail.com, for instance, and all emails will still be delivered to myemail@gmail.com https://gmail.googleblog.com/2008/03/2-hidden-ways-to-get-mo... https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/recipients-in-exc...

The downside on that is that your original email address is still in there and good luck blocking mails to that.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by atoav »

remram wrote: post #530
atoav wrote: post #187

I use catchall email addresses. If your service is called foobar.com I will register at your place with foobar.com@mydomain.com If I ever receive spam addressed to foobar.com@mydomain.com that is unrelated to your service I know you leaked or abused my data. Result: you will get a DSGVO complaint and I filter all emails addressed to this address from my inbox. The good thing about using a catchall email address is th…

I've long wondered if you could put crypto into this, to make it secure from a human attacker who might figure out the scheme. Otherwise it is relatively easy for a spammer to replace foobar.com with google.com and email you again, escaping your filtering and/or making you think google.com has a data leak. For example, using a HMAC of the domain. So you generate foobar.com-sr32j4@mydomain.com, it's impossible to gene…

Interesting idea, I like it. I am not profficient enough with mail servers to know how this could be done, but maybe a python script that just marks offending mails as spam would work as well.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by atoav »

mafuy wrote: post #240
atoav wrote: post #187

I use catchall email addresses. If your service is called foobar.com I will register at your place with foobar.com@mydomain.com If I ever receive spam addressed to foobar.com@mydomain.com that is unrelated to your service I know you leaked or abused my data. Result: you will get a DSGVO complaint and I filter all emails addressed to this address from my inbox. The good thing about using a catchall email address is th…

Does this allow you to also send emails as a particular address? I've not yet managed to set this up properly.

Depends on the client, in Thunderbird you can customize the sender address for each mail.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by _nalply »

purple-leafy wrote: post #30
Brajeshwar wrote: post #26

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I'd rather delete/block it than reply/react to it at all. If you react, they know you exist and you are a valid target to re-target repeatedly, resold to other marketers. Mark as SPAM or Block/Filter or Ignore.

Okay new plan, I’ll have another email that responds to the email and says “fuck off”, meanwhile my honeypot email will block and mark as spam

Often spammers and phishers misuse legitimate emails they hacked.

Just ignore and move on.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by croes »

k8sagic wrote: post #364
croes wrote: post #327

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>Is video producing co2? yes. But you know what creates a lot more co2? Driving around for entertainment What's more likely, watching a movie online, drive to watch a movie in a cinema? You know what creates a lot less CO2? Staying at home reading a book vor playing a board game. >Datacenters save a lot more energy than they make I think you mean CO2. And I doubt that they actually save anything because datacenters a…

Have you checked how much co2 a normal car drive creates vs. watching a movie online? We need to be realistic here. We know what modern entertainment looks like and its not realistic at all to just 'read books' and play board games.

But it's realistic that we watch movies online than in cinemas. And don't forget the datacenters of the movies need to run even if no one watches. My car doesn't produce CO2 whe I don't drive.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by davidgerard »

block_dagger wrote: post #353
k8sagic wrote: post #287

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But we do know that the Proof of Stake system we currently have, is a lot cheaper and more advanced than what Bitcoin does. Bitcoin doesn't solve any problem yet which is fundamental to our society and a fiat system like the trust issue: If i exchange 1 bitcoin with you for any service or thing outside of the blockchain, i need the whole proof of stack system protection of our normal existing money infrastructure lik…

Proof of Work is far superior to Proof of Stake in a network with absolute fairness (security) being fundamental. Satoshi himself said he could find no other way. Compare energy spent on global hash rate to all energy spent by mining metals, physical banking, financial services middle persons, etc. if you want to talk about energy usage and make any kind of sense.

> Compare energy spent on global hash rate to all energy spent by mining metals, physical banking, financial services middle persons, etc. if you want to talk about energy usage and make any kind of sense.

you're ending up with the entire rest of civilisation on the other side of that

* Bitcoin, 0.5% of all energy use: 7 transactions per second total worldwide

* THE ENTIRE REST OF CIVILISATION AND EVERYONE IN IT AND EVERYTHING THEY DO, 199x the energy use, really quite a lot more than 1,393 transactions per second worldwide, and all the other stuff civilisation does too

What an amazing comparison for you to suggest.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by croes »

k8sagic wrote: post #541
commodoreboxer wrote: post #524

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My issue was with "we know what modern entertainment looks like" as if humans are now incapable of enjoying themselves without a screen. And you should care about a massive market increase when it's directly relevant to the point at hand. If the initial point was "we know what modern entertainment looks like, nobody plays board games or reads books", pointing out that the board game market has more than doubled in th…

AI and ML will help a lot of people and already does. Alpha Fold / protein folding will help us with cancer. We will have better batterires thanks to ml material research. We will be able to calculate and optimize everything related to flow like wind. The last thing we need to optimize is compute and compute is what has the most money anyway. One of the first industries going green is datacenters. Google for example…

For most of your points it's may not will.

How many battery breaktroughs did we have before AI? They rarely lead to new batteries.

>AI/ML big datacenters are crucial for all the illneses we have which no one cares enough to solve.

Too bad that companies like OpenAI and MS buy most of the hardware for their data centers to write summaries of articles and emails and to create pictures.

And even if they find a cure, doesn't mean it will be available for people in need, not without a hefty fee.

Just look at the profit margin of insulin.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by croes »

mrtranscendence wrote: post #515
commodoreboxer wrote: post #479

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It is 100% realistic to read books and play board games. Both markets are massive, and board games in particular are having what I would consider a renaissance. Maybe it depends on your crowd, but everybody I know plays tabletop games and reads books.

You're missing the point. What's not realistic is to tell everyone that they should abstain from any type of entertainment that requires power (TV shows, movies, video games, etc) and should only read books and play board games instead. I don't care what kind of renaissance board games are undergoing, most people still only play the mass market classics, and then only rarely. I don't know how much energy Netflix uses…

You are missing the point too.

Driving too the cinema to watch a movie produces more CO2 than watch one movie online but online makes it more convenient so you watch more. That sums up to more CO2 emission.

The point is that higher efficency is wortless in terms of CO2 emissions if it leads to higher usage that compensates for the savings.

If a programmer can program faster with AI it's good if he only needs 1 hour instead of 8 but if he still programs 8 hours a day AI's energy consumption comes just on top of his previos consumption.

Climate change doesn't care how efficient you produce more CO2, more is simply more.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by richrichie »

davidgerard wrote: post #566
block_dagger wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proof of Work is far superior to Proof of Stake in a network with absolute fairness (security) being fundamental. Satoshi himself said he could find no other way. Compare energy spent on global hash rate to all energy spent by mining metals, physical banking, financial services middle persons, etc. if you want to talk about energy usage and make any kind of sense.

> Compare energy spent on global hash rate to all energy spent by mining metals, physical banking, financial services middle persons, etc. if you want to talk about energy usage and make any kind of sense. you're ending up with the entire rest of civilisation on the other side of that * Bitcoin, 0.5% of all energy use: 7 transactions per second total worldwide * THE ENTIRE REST OF CIVILISATION AND EVERYONE IN IT AND…

You are not comparing apples to apples. BTC is comparable to gold or US treasuries. How often do you transact in physical gold? What is time taken from a piece of gold in your pocket to cash to coffee? However, you can transact in paper gold eg the ETF GLD in microseconds with comparatively much lower transaction costs (settlement is still not immediate). How often do you transact in treasury bonds? Try paying for a coffee with your treasury bond. Let’s see how many days that takes. Comparison with USD (ultimately representing US treasuries) on number of transactions basis is not useful.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by taneq »

webninja wrote: post #555
thrance wrote: post #373

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I remember seeing a talk from Jonathan Blow where he made a comparison: in the 1960s top engineers worked for NASA and put a man on the moon in a decade, basically doing computations by hand. Today, we have super advanced computers and tech companies enjoy 100× times more of the top engineers than NASA ever had, and they are all working toward making you click on ads more.

No wonder. Have you seen the Federal government’s debt? It’s existential. At least your grandparents got to live a nice life. usdebtclock.org

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the "government debt" the sum total of currency issued, rather than being like the balance on a credit card? It's better thought of as a measure of the size of the economy being governed. What you want to keep an eye on is the total inflation-adjusted 'value' of the economy, if this starts reducing then that's not good.
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