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Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by k8sagic »

quassy wrote: post #308
k8sagic wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Datacenters save a lot more energy than they make. Alone how much co2 is saved when i can do my banking online instead of having to drive to a bank is significant. The same with a ton of ohter daily things i do. Is video producing co2? yes. But you know what creates a lot more co2? Driving around for entertainment. And the companies running those GPUs actually have an incentive to be co2 neutral while bit…

Point 1, 2 and 3 all apply to miners as well and yet they never delivered on their promise.

The normal miners never said that. They just say this at conferences for simple greenwashing.

The normal miner doesn't go to those bitcoin conferences, they buy asics, put them in some warehouses around the world and make money.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by b112 »

whiplash451 wrote: post #294
b112 wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far, I haven't seen a useful application of LLMs. So far. I've seen things that are wildly hobbled, and wildly inaccurate. I've seen endless companies running around, trying to improve on things. I've seen people looking in wonder at LLMs making mistakes 2 year olds don't. Most LLM usage seems to be in two categories. Replace people's jobs with wildly inaccurate and massively broken output, or trick people into do…

There is one clear (albeit somewhat boring) application of LLM: data extraction from structured documents. That field has made a leap forward with LLMs. Positive impact on society includes automated extraction in healthcare pipelines.

Healthcare pipelines! All well and good until hallucinations cause death or what not!

And why is this better than employing a human. Or reducing complexity. It's not as if human wages are what causes hyper expensive US healthcare costs.

This seems like a negative.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by Bluestein »

tsukikage wrote: post #320
ossyrial wrote: post #238

The author links to the somewhat dystopian blog where the email sender is quite proud of their work. Their words (or perhaps that of an LLM): > Could an AI agent craft compelling emails that would capture people's attention and drive engagement, all while maintaining a level of personalization that feels human? I decided to find out. > The real hurdle was ensuring the emails seemed genuinely personalized and not spam…

This process should not require a human in the loop. Consider: * spammers have access to large amounts of compute via their botnets * the effectiveness of any particular spam message can easily be measured - it is simply the quantity of funds arriving at the cryptocurrency wallet tied to that message within some time window So, just complete the cycle: LLM to generate prompts, another to generate messages, send out a…

Very well could be. Seconded. After all, it could very well become one of the largest vehicles for "mass training", ever ...

PS. Howerver, see comments downthread about "survivorship bias". Not everybody will reply, so biases will exist.-

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by squigz »

cornholio wrote: post #310
CoastalCoder wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is unique to this specific technology. People can be both wonderful and despicable, regardless of era or mechanism.

Sure, but I'm talking about the good:bad ratio of some creations. I really have strong hope for AI, and that we won't regard it in retrospect like the multi-stage thermonuclear device, the landmine or tetraethyl lead additives.

Not to dismiss any of the negative aspects of "AI", but it seems utterly foolish to compare it to those 3 things.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by lytefm »

tjoff wrote: post #65

This is disgusting. Cold spamming is illegal where I'm at, probably Europe as a whole?

Cold emailing someone who makes their contact information publicly available and might be interested in a sales pitch is not illegal in Europe. Sending SPAM is. The lines get even more blurry with automated AI tools that offer personalized sales pitches as a service.

I'd be curious how this plays out in court. Probably something like:

- If you use an AI tool to scrape leads and to generate the content but then still send out individual emails from your Mail provider, it's still a cold email.

- If you use an AI tool and also automate the email delivery, it should be considered spam.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by Bluestein »

PlusAddressing wrote: post #277
ossyrial wrote: post #238

The author links to the somewhat dystopian blog where the email sender is quite proud of their work. Their words (or perhaps that of an LLM): > Could an AI agent craft compelling emails that would capture people's attention and drive engagement, all while maintaining a level of personalization that feels human? I decided to find out. > The real hurdle was ensuring the emails seemed genuinely personalized and not spam…

Funny how they're self assured no one whiffed their AI bullshit. This is survivorship bias, he's looking only at all the planes that came back to port. The people who did - they just didn't reply. He can't prompt them.

The planes coming back from the bombing raids in WWII come to mind.-

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by squigz »

tiew9Vii wrote: post #275
taylorius wrote: post #161

The future - megawatts of electricity being used, 24/7 as armies of LLMs email and debate each other, and try to sell each other programs at a great discount. As for the humans, we went fishing instead.

The irony Everyone is playing lip service to global warming, energy efficiency, reducing emissions. At the same time data centers are being filled with power hungry graphic cards and hardware to predict if showing a customer an ad will get a clock, generating spam that “engages” users aka clicks. It’s like living in a episode of black mirror.

There's no irony or contradiction here. Some people are worried about climate change. Some aren't. Silly, yes, but I don't see the irony.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by mihaaly »

ossyrial wrote: post #238

The author links to the somewhat dystopian blog where the email sender is quite proud of their work. Their words (or perhaps that of an LLM): > Could an AI agent craft compelling emails that would capture people's attention and drive engagement, all while maintaining a level of personalization that feels human? I decided to find out. > The real hurdle was ensuring the emails seemed genuinely personalized and not spam…

It is not only that too much is wasted on superficial nothing instead of choosing to make something with essence and benefitial for the society but it is sucking away those minds engaged in really useful things.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by squigz »

taylorius wrote: post #161

The future - megawatts of electricity being used, 24/7 as armies of LLMs email and debate each other, and try to sell each other programs at a great discount. As for the humans, we went fishing instead.

Are LLMs able to make purchases?

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by b112 »

whiplash451 wrote: post #329
immibis wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unstructured*

No, I really meant structured. Extracting data from structured documents is surprisingly hard when you need very high accuracy. What I mean by structured is: invoices, documents containing tables, etc. Extracting useful data from fully unstructured content is very hard IMO and potentially above the capacity of LLMs (depending on your definition of "useful" and "unstructured")

But this is why I made my complexity statement in my other reply.

Why are firms sending around invoices, tables instead of parseable data. Oh I know the argument, because "so hard to cooperate" on standards, etc.

Madness.

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