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Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Post by kragen »

duckmysick wrote: post #286
kragen wrote: post #268

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here (argentina, non-native) we usually say 'el auto' but have significant use of 'coche'. 'carro' means something different; using it for an automobile sounds mexican but if you showed an argentine a picture of a car, they might very well say 'auto' while perhaps someone from elsewhere would say 'coche', leading to a basically incorrect point of difference being measured in this study between the two dialects

Why would it be incorrect? Sometimes two or three different words describe the same thing and that's ok. If you poll enough people you can get a rough idea if one version is more dominant that the other, if there's an even split, or if different regions in the same country prefer different versions. Similar to soda/pop/coke in the US. You can design a study with a high level of data granularity. You could even track…

because 'we usually say coche but sometimes say auto' is almost the same as 'we usually say auto but sometimes say coche', but they differ from 'we always say carro'. if a study is saying spanish is radically different in montevideo and in buenos aires, it's just wrong. this may not be the particular design error that resulted in these incorrect results, but it seems like a promising candidate

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Post by alimw »

flobosg wrote: post #168
Suppafly wrote: post #162

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I assume maybe the other one is to align more closely with Argentina or something? If you look at the time zone map, they just as easily could have had the whole mainland country on one timezone. Bolivia, Paraguay, and parts of Brazil share the same timezone as the northern part of Chili and are just as far east as the southern parts of Chili. Easter Island makes sense, you don't necessarily expect islands that are f…

> I assume maybe the other one is to align more closely with Argentina or something? It has to do with differences in latitude. In winter, the southernmost region of Chile[1] was completely dark at around 4 PM with the old time zone. Staying on summer time for the whole year gives its inhabitants an additional hour of sunlight. [1]: Which includes, but is not equivalent to, Antarctica: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…

> Staying on summer time for the whole year gives its inhabitants an additional hour of sunlight.

Now that's not really true is it :) It's robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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Post by mcmoor »

syngrog66 wrote: post #89

many nation shapes don't make any sense. add in the wildly disconnected/schizophrenic sovereign territory of some countries (US and Russia among exemplars) and I've learned one must simply turn one's brain off when analyzing them. Its a circus.

It starts to make sense once I see nations as collections of big cities holding arbitrary (terrain may matter here) amount of "wastelands" between them. In general, no country would generate from those wastelands so it make sense that it's arbitrarily exchange between big cities surrounding them.

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Post by diego_moita »

gosukiwi wrote: post #288

That spanish similarity thing can't be right. Argentina and Uruguay speak basically the same spanish (unless you count dialects like Cordoba)

It is just bullshit.

From my experience, (Portuguese native speaker who learned Spanish) Colombian Spanish is much easier than Mexican. And the worst Spanish, by far, is from the Dominican Republic. Chile is not that bad, it is quite close to Argentinian, actually.

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Post by 29athrowaway »

throw4847285 wrote: post #25

When I went to Chile I was about to undertake a cross-country move across the US. Everybody I spoke to in Santiago couldn't imagine a country where you can drive a massive distance like that and move from one major metropolis to another. At the time, I thought they were just reflecting on the fact that Chile is a country where 40% of all people live in one metro area, so there isn't another huge metro area to move to…

Concepcion, Valparaiso, Greater Temuco, La Serena/Coquimbo, Antofagasta are large urban zones.

You can learn more here https://elsemieni.net/megavision/

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Post by Retric »

graeme wrote: post #273
nox101 wrote: post #272

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is 1 million people a lot? I lived most of my life in metro areas of 15-30 million. when I finally ventured out and saw so many famous places at 1.5 million or less and how I could drive in and then back out of their downtowns in just a few blocks I was kind of shocked on how small most places are

There are only 26 areas in the world which are 15-30 million. They have about 550 million people, or about 7% of the world's population. 1 million is fairly large, especially in the context of Chile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities

That list really undercounts many metro areas.

DC’s “Metropolitan area in 2020 was 6,385,162” it’s CSA was 9,546,579 in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_metropolitan_area

That list puts it at 5.2 million people.

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Post by [deleted] »

digging wrote: post #91
School-Cotton wrote: post #80

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> There literally is a standard Spanish, no? Not really. Just like English, the standard variety in each country is considered equally "standard". > I understand it to be based on Castilian. I'm not sure what you mean by this. As far as I know Castilian is just a synonym for the Spanish language (as opposed to other languages of Spain e.g. Catalan). So the variety spoken in Guatemala and the one in Tenerife are equal…

No, it's not like English. There is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Spanish . It is maintained by the: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spanish_Academy . In practice, I'm not sure what the impact is. I'm not a native Spanish speaker. But Spanish is not like English in regard to prescriptive norms.

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Post by jowea »

walthamstow wrote: post #137
santiagobasulto wrote: post #122

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Thanks god we don't care. Spain wanting to dictate what's real "spanish" is like the King of England telling a jamaican that their english is wrong.

Yes, we leave that kind of thing to the French

From what I heard the French can also have a laugh at the AF's attempts at language standardization.

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Post by TylerE »

Retric wrote: post #296
graeme wrote: post #273

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There are only 26 areas in the world which are 15-30 million. They have about 550 million people, or about 7% of the world's population. 1 million is fairly large, especially in the context of Chile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities

That list really undercounts many metro areas. DC’s “Metropolitan area in 2020 was 6,385,162” it’s CSA was 9,546,579 in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_metropolitan_area That list puts it at 5.2 million people.

The 6M is included in the 9. They're not separate counts.

That CSA also includes Baltimore so not a vary fair example. Absolutely not the same metro.

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