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Why is Chile so long?

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Re: Why is Chile so long?

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I don't know but a Peruvian once told me that when God created South America he gave the Peruvians the titties from lake Titicaca and Bolivia got the shit left over. I never quite figured out what it meant.

“caca” means shit in Spanish, so is a word play with titi-caca and probably a xenophobic remark about Bolivia

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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I have no idea. Also there is no standard spanish even in Spain. Like Andalucian spanish and Domenican spanish have a lot in common but vary greatly with other forms of spanish.

When I was getting my degree, two of my classmates spoke Spanish as a first language. One was a transfer student from Madrid, and the other was an immigrant from northern Mexico. I was in the room the first time they met and tried speaking Spanish to one another. They couldn't understand each other and communicated solely in English after about 10 minutes.

Spaniard here. I daily talk with Argentines. Maybe the grammar and slang get obtuse sometimes, but overall once we talk formal Spanish the issues on jargon dissappear.

Also, the Spanish Royal Academy for the language logs every word from Iberia to Mexico and the Patagonia at their online dictionary, so everyone can guess the meaning of a local word in the spot.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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When I was getting my degree, two of my classmates spoke Spanish as a first language. One was a transfer student from Madrid, and the other was an immigrant from northern Mexico. I was in the room the first time they met and tried speaking Spanish to one another. They couldn't understand each other and communicated solely in English after about 10 minutes.

That's a very anecdotal experience. I met my ex-wife in Madrid where I lived for 4 years and where she was from. That's where I learned Spanish as a second language. After we moved back to California, we obviously met and spoke to many Mexicans over the years. Zero problems communicating for her, ever. Spanish is still Spanish.

If not utterly false and defaming. ANY educated Spanish speaker could talk to any other one from the whole Latin America in the spot. We are not talking about hicks with a deep and harsh accent such as some Andalusian farmer and some Northern Mexican paisano from Nowhereland. (Kinda like mixing an Appalachian and a Scottish).

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Looking at the map of southern Chile, it's pretty obvious why this is so. It's just immense mountains and fjords. Building a road across that terrain would be a major challenge, requiring many bridges capable of surviving harsh conditions. All to deserve a minuscule population? Chile isn't Norway...

Latitude-wise, Torres de Paine is comparable to northern Belgium than it is to Norway. Even Ushoaia, the southernmost major city in Americas, looks more like Belfast in the UK, or Gdansk in Poland, which are both into way more nicer climates than Norway. I just think that having some infrastructure in place, linking the southern parts of Chile with the rest, may be exactly what is needed for addressing the stounted g…

Europe in unusually warmer than anywhere on its latitude, mostly because of gulf stream. So Norway (and Canada) comparison should be appropriate.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Spanish native here, confirming that RSA is the institution that sets the language standard. But, people always deviate from it, though in my experience in word meanings and pronunciation, never in grammar to a degree that it become intelligible to another Spanish speaker. The toughest film to listen to for me was "The rose seller"[1] (1998), took me like 10m to get my ear accustomed to their pronunciation. [1] https…

The paisa accent is very hard, even for us non-paisa colombians - not only for its colloquialisms but for its cadence.

So is the Andalusian accent from a Northern Spaniard like me, it's close to the prosody and speech of the US Southern accent. The first 20 minutes understanding Risitas were pure hell. But you get used to it in a few days. It's like some American trying to understand the Scott/Welsh (can't remember now) sheperd not exposed to it. I'm pretty sure they could be used to it in less time than a week.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Shouldn't that comparison be weighted by how frequent the words are? For example words in the top 100 usage would count for more than the top 1000 and the top 10000. It would be a much different story if British English and American English had different words for "a car". Which, by the way, happens in Spanish dialects ("el coche" vs "el carro").

here (argentina, non-native) we usually say 'el auto' but have significant use of 'coche'. 'carro' means something different; using it for an automobile sounds mexican but if you showed an argentine a picture of a car, they might very well say 'auto' while perhaps someone from elsewhere would say 'coche', leading to a basically incorrect point of difference being measured in this study between the two dialects

Why would it be incorrect? Sometimes two or three different words describe the same thing and that's ok. If you poll enough people you can get a rough idea if one version is more dominant that the other, if there's an even split, or if different regions in the same country prefer different versions. Similar to soda/pop/coke in the US.

You can design a study with a high level of data granularity. You could even track differences in pronunciation and grammar if you wish so.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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This is a dream of mine, to soend the night far away from land that there's nothing around but water. Did you already have sea experience, or did you just rent a boat and gave it a try?

>> just rent a boat and gave it a try? As someone who once worked tangentially in search and rescue, please do not even consider this. The ocean is a serious thing, doubly so at night. Unless you are renting a boat large enough to come with its own staff, please do not just head over the horizon simply to see the stars. And fyi, the stars at sea move as the boat you stand on moves. They are brighter, but also more bl…

Would a simple cruise ship ticket do it? Or be too lit up at night?

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Chilean dialect of spanish is wild. Only a chilean can understand this: "el weon weon, weon."

Care to translate it for us? gpt says “The dude, dude dude”

"weon" is a corruption of the word "huevón", that means literally "big egg".

Is a polysemic word, but when used as adjective means "somebody with big balls"; by extension "somebody that spends the day sitting on their own testicles, unable to carry them"

So a huevón is "a lazy lad", "a douchebad" or simply "a dude" (colloquially and vulgar, but also playful if applied to a close friend).

The word is a minefield, some people will feel amused, other insulted, and is a faux pas with women. Better avoid it unless you know what you are doing.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Okay, so the article is wrong for using that bit of data for the argument. It doesn't tell you much about how well two people from two different places will understand each other. If two people are in the same place and one says to the other "¿me das la veleta?", but the other would have called the object "molinete", chances are they could probably understand what the other person is saying. What makes different dial…

True, but that's like saying a British person wouldn't be confused by the phrase "the trunk of my car" said by an American even if they would would say "the boot of my car" themselves. The fact still remains than "trunk" is US dialect and "boot" is British, and that the dialects are different.

And I suspect this is only true because of frequent cultural contact. If there wasn't any the British wouldn't know the American English word for it.
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