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Why is Chile so long?

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Re: Why is Chile so long?

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My key takeaway from this article is that the best place to go see the Milky Way is deep in the Amazon rainforest… where the tree cover is nearly 100% and there isn’t a single road for a hundred miles. That’s a neat collection of graphics. I’m curious how bespoke the creation process is for each graphic or if this is something everyone just does in ArcGis or similar. That last graphic about the Western US being the o…

My nomination for night sky viewing: Ölgii in western Mongolia (was there for the golden eagle festival). Clear desert sky, accessible by airplane, not a tiny town either.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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I travelled to Chile earlier this year and visited Atacama and Torres de Paine. The thing that boggled my mind was that you can't drive between the two without a very long detour through Argentina. Chile has literally no road linking the northern part with the southernmost part without going outside the country. It is also mind boggling that rail is not more popular there. A long, slim country is ideal for high speed…

Looking at the map of southern Chile, it's pretty obvious why this is so. It's just immense mountains and fjords. Building a road across that terrain would be a major challenge, requiring many bridges capable of surviving harsh conditions. All to deserve a minuscule population? Chile isn't Norway...

Latitude-wise, Torres de Paine is comparable to northern Belgium than it is to Norway. Even Ushoaia, the southernmost major city in Americas, looks more like Belfast in the UK, or Gdansk in Poland, which are both into way more nicer climates than Norway. I just think that having some infrastructure in place, linking the southern parts of Chile with the rest, may be exactly what is needed for addressing the stounted growth there.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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RAE is supposed to be the prescriptive source for Spanish, but no one cares about it outside of a subset of Academics in Spain.

Thanks god we don't care. Spain wanting to dictate what's real "spanish" is like the King of England telling a jamaican that their english is wrong.

If you want to be more widely understood, it's better to sound more like the King of England than whatever your local variety is.

I tone down my (English language) accent when speaking to foreigners all the time. The point is to be understood.

I'm toning it down right now in this message. I want to be clear to a wider audience, not folksy.

So is Spain really telling other people the way they speak is "wrong", or is there simply a prestige accent, best utilised for international communication so the maximum amount of people can understand?

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Okay, so the article is wrong for using that bit of data for the argument. It doesn't tell you much about how well two people from two different places will understand each other. If two people are in the same place and one says to the other "¿me das la veleta?", but the other would have called the object "molinete", chances are they could probably understand what the other person is saying. What makes different dial…

True, but that's like saying a British person wouldn't be confused by the phrase "the trunk of my car" said by an American even if they would would say "the boot of my car" themselves. The fact still remains than "trunk" is US dialect and "boot" is British, and that the dialects are different.

I guess thank God for Hollywood, it means we can all at least speak one version of English

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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One of the most interesting drives in my life was Chile from the island of Chiloe to the Tatio Geysers in the Atacama. Just so many different climate zones, and all in relatively close proximity. Chiloe and Puerto Montt were damp, cold, and fog-shrouded in Summer (Jan-Feb), very similar to parts of the coastal pacific northwest. The area to its north, centered around the German-influenced town of Valdivia, was Califo…

> Just so many different climate zones, and all in relatively close proximity. Another place like this, perhaps lesser in scale, is the Big Island of Hawaii. Its latitude means the trade winds are blowing from the same direction year-round, bringing moisture to the windward side (e.g. Hilo, HI with 120" average annual rainfall) and leaving the leeward side dry (e.g. Kailua-Kona, HI with under 20" average annual rainf…

And yet another place like this is in Southern California if you drive in an easterly direction starting on San Diego and ending in the Salton Sea, going through Ramona and Julien. You go from an area with a Mediterranean climate to temperate deciduous forests to coniferous forests to cold, high-elevation desert to hot, low-elevation desert (Anza Borrego Desert). This is all within about 50 miles (80km). It's a fascinating drive!

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Thanks god we don't care. Spain wanting to dictate what's real "spanish" is like the King of England telling a jamaican that their english is wrong.

There are royal academies in each Spanish speaking country. Is a very old institution that creates diplomatic links and a help net between countries on everything related with the Spanish dictionary. They solve doubts for free, or publish American Vocabulary dictionaries (so American people can understand other American people). If you want to understand Spanish this is the best resource available https://www.rae.es/…

They have a long history of being proscriptive for anything that isn't "their real spanish" (that being of Spain). In latin america, we use a lot of neologisms ("commitear", "pushear", "mergear") and those are strictly "prohibited" by them, to the point that some spanish universities, following RAEs recommendations, fail students using them.

Any centralized institution that is in charge of overseeing a large and diverse number of countries that have evolved spanish over the past ~400 years is, in my eyes, set to fail.

Now, I do use RAE all the time to check definitions, but I see it as a "descriptive" body, in charge of creating some definitions. But even some of those definitions have to be "scrutinized" and can't be literally and blindly trusted. For example, check the definition of "gitano", which has a clear pejorative connotation. That is not wrong, is just the reality of how the "spanish speaking world" expresses itself. But should you take that definition by heart? I don't think so.

This is a clear example of "The Cathedral vs the Bazaar", as in Open Source vs privative software. I'm a hacker, I prefer a bazaar to a single institution dictating how we should talk..

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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That map of Spanish dialect difficulty... I can confirm.

I'm a native English speaker. I learned Spanish pretty fluently in Chile, interacting with native Spanish speakers from several countries, and my personal experience doesn't entirely match the map. Chilean and Argentine are definitely harder. I don't think I've met a Venezuelan or Panamanian to compare. Colombian was the clearest, most comprehensible accent of any I encountered. Easier than Mexican and Peruvian that are both marked as easy on that map.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Is there a single chilean dialect? Surely in such a long country there must be a huge difference between northern, center and southern chilean.

surprisingly (to me), Chilean accent is pretty much the same anywhere in the country
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