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Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by bbkane » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 5:15 AM UTC

ImaCake wrote: post #30

juujian wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a regular R/bash/python user, I think the Posit philosophy is increasingly to break down barriers between the languages. It's no longer an either/or relationship, you can use both. And some packages or features that have been ported to python are just objectively worse in that language, so the want for R is definitely there. Also, a lot of the Posit team are fully "bilingual", it's not like the old guard of academ…

>ported to python are just objectively worse in that language This is absolutely the case. Dplyr syntax is much more intuitive for many use cases than Pandas or Polars equivalents. One thing I miss from RStudio is the Rmarkdown documents with inline outputs. Jupyter notebooks, even in VSCode, are so needlessly over-engineered and under-featured compared to the elegance of RMarkdown. So I am excited to see what Posit…

A friend and I have been having a blast with Observable Framework. It seems really well put together- markdown + code blocks. See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Urf_bPFyhIk for a short demo

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by lbeltrame » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 5:21 AM UTC

manilbeat wrote: post #20

gepost wrote: post #17

What is the strategy behind the dizzying pace of product changes in the R/Python space? I heard that RStudio was a great product, yet they have to redo everything again, of course also renaming the company as is also standard practice in the Python "scientific" market. Is it Jupyter envy? Why is it not possible to keep one good product and stay with it? I wish MatLab licenses weren't so expensive, at this point I'd j…

Rstudio came out a long time ago at this point. I actually think it feels quite dated personally. A data science focused version of VS Code with some kind of notebook sounds rather awesome to me.

Does it still bundle an entire, old version of libclang?

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by darkteflon » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 5:21 AM UTC

Terretta wrote: post #40

kleiba wrote: post #2

Speaking of which: does anyone here on HN feel comfortable recommending a Python IDE that's half-way bearable on iPads?

Pythonista is nicer but ships older Python: https://omz-software.com/pythonista/ Pyto is maybe less approachable but more up to date, with clang compiler and LLVM bitcode interpreter: https://pyto.app/ Juno is Python notebooks: https://juno.sh/https://juno.sh/ In general I prefer Blink Code: https://docs.blink.sh/advanced/code

Yeah Blink with the built-in VS Code is so far ahead of other options. Being able to remote back to your machine and pick up right where you left off is unbeatable.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by darkteflon » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 5:23 AM UTC

Relatedly, has anyone found a really good extension for interacting with .tsv, .csv, files in VS Code? PyCharm is much nicer on that front.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by aydyn » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 5:35 AM UTC

stoperaticless wrote: post #36

aydyn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youre wrong. Python is outpacing R in usage. Every metric you can find proves it. R also has fundamental issues and lacks serious development.

s/serious/hyped

No. R fundamentally has not really improved in the past ~10 years. Do you know much about how R works?

Also try:

gsub('serious', 'hyped', x)

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by openrisk » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 5:41 AM UTC

stoperaticless wrote: post #36

aydyn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youre wrong. Python is outpacing R in usage. Every metric you can find proves it. R also has fundamental issues and lacks serious development.

s/serious/hyped

The issue is that even if you peel the hype (which is a fact), python is still far larger.

If you check e.g. the journal of open source software (which does not have much ML/AI bias), most of the papers are python, with an occasional R and julia submission.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by quasarj » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 5:45 AM UTC

juujian wrote: post #19

gepost wrote: post #17

What is the strategy behind the dizzying pace of product changes in the R/Python space? I heard that RStudio was a great product, yet they have to redo everything again, of course also renaming the company as is also standard practice in the Python "scientific" market. Is it Jupyter envy? Why is it not possible to keep one good product and stay with it? I wish MatLab licenses weren't so expensive, at this point I'd j…

As a regular R/bash/python user, I think the Posit philosophy is increasingly to break down barriers between the languages. It's no longer an either/or relationship, you can use both. And some packages or features that have been ported to python are just objectively worse in that language, so the want for R is definitely there. Also, a lot of the Posit team are fully "bilingual", it's not like the old guard of academ…

One of those is not like the others

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by justinclift » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 5:46 AM UTC

Just noticed this:

    Because Microsoft does not allow third-party IDEs to access the official VS Code
    Marketplace ...

Anyone know why?

My wild guess is it means MS doesn't want third parties to build their own VS Code based IDEs (like this one)?

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by jmcphers » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 5:58 AM UTC

justinclift wrote: post #48

Just noticed this: Because Microsoft does not allow third-party IDEs to access the official VS Code Marketplace ... Anyone know why? My wild guess is it means MS doesn't want third parties to build their own VS Code based IDEs (like this one)?

There's some thoughtful speculation on this here:

"Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture" - https://ghuntley.com/fracture/

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by jmcphers » Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 6:07 AM UTC

legobmw99 wrote: post #28

It seems a little odd to me that this is not just… a vscode extension pack?

A good question. The VS Code extension API is pretty powerful but extensions run separately from the main workbench process and they can't draw any meaningful UI on it. This was a great design decision IMHO as it is the core reason VS Code has a reputation for a minimalist UI and good performance despite being based on Electron.

However it also made it impossible to build the kinds of experiences we wanted to with Positron. Positron has a bunch of top-level UI as well as some integrated/horizontal services that don't make sense as extensions. We built those into the core of the system which is why a fork was necessary.

It's a goal for Positron to be extensible, so it has its own API alongside VS Code's API, and both the R and Python language systems are implemented as extensions.