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Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by 082349872349872 »

zarzavat wrote: post #34

Somewhat unrelated but is there any SOTA for what “vigorous cardiovascular exercise” should be to optimize benefits? Should I just exercise flat out and try to sustain that as long as I can, or is there a level of vigorous exertion below flat out that leads to better results because of the longer duration?

You're overthinking it.

Do you stop afterwards and catch your breath? It was vigorous. Bonus if you broke a sweat.

There's no need to be more qualitative than that for most folk (a "suboptimal" schedule consistently applied being vastly preferable to an "optimal" one inconsistently), but if you absolutely insist on getting quantitative, see: https://pacompendium.com

[in particular, see https://pacompendium.com/sexual-activity/ : a light pash might be twice as much activity as just sitting on the couch, while "scaring the horses" can be six times]

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by vmfunction »

keiferski wrote: post #4

I am no expert on the public health system and so I'm more than willing to be educated/corrected here, but I have the following impression: There is more money to be made by stakeholders treating health problems than there is in preventing them. And so there is a lot more money and effort invested in developing pharmaceutical and treatment solutions than there is in preventing the problems they treat – even though th…

>There is more money to be made by stakeholders treating health problems than there is in preventing them. And so there is a lot more money and effort invested in developing pharmaceutical and treatment solutions than there is in preventing them – even though that would be far, far better for society as a whole.

The health care system in US is very broken. This paper [1] really outlines. It not just more money made in treating health problems than prevention. Due to the health insurance is structured in US, there is also an incentive for doctors to prescribe the more expensive treatment instead of the cheaper more effective treatment.

https://pubmedinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Is-US-Heal...

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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isaacfrond wrote: post #29

Let's do it one more time. Correlation != Causation Could the causation conceivably run the other direction? People with beginning dementia exercise less? Yes, that is quite conceivable actually. Could there be a common cause explaining both? Yes, if you are in good health, with good genes, a good job, leisure time and money, then probably you are the type of person who'll live longer, sport more, and be cognitively…

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Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by coldtea »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #6
keiferski wrote: post #4

I am no expert on the public health system and so I'm more than willing to be educated/corrected here, but I have the following impression: There is more money to be made by stakeholders treating health problems than there is in preventing them. And so there is a lot more money and effort invested in developing pharmaceutical and treatment solutions than there is in preventing the problems they treat – even though th…

The barrier to exercise isn’t money in most cases. It is that exercise is misery. Exercise sucks. I am overweight. I much prefer Ozempic (and pay a substantial premium for it) vs lifestyle change. So do millions of other Americans who are shelling out for it. You would basically need to economically torture fat people to the point that exercise is less horrible than your incentives. I’m paying 8K a year to avoid exer…

>The barrier to exercise isn’t money in most cases. It is that exercise is misery

Only if you haven't been doing it. When you follow through and get the hang of it, it can be ecstasy.

>I’m paying 8K a year to avoid exercise.

And paying a lot more in cognitive and health decline long term, both in monetary terms (treatment) and in non-measurable quality of life terms.

Ozempic is just weight loss (and the potential side-effects of longer term use with it, we'll find out in the future).

Weight loss is table stakes for optimal performance.

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Post by thefz »

keiferski wrote: post #4

I am no expert on the public health system and so I'm more than willing to be educated/corrected here, but I have the following impression: There is more money to be made by stakeholders treating health problems than there is in preventing them. And so there is a lot more money and effort invested in developing pharmaceutical and treatment solutions than there is in preventing the problems they treat – even though th…

In the US.

Anywhere the healthcare system is public, there is more pressure in lowering its cost / raising its efficiency.

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by coldtea »

isaacfrond wrote: post #29

Let's do it one more time. Correlation != Causation Could the causation conceivably run the other direction? People with beginning dementia exercise less? Yes, that is quite conceivable actually. Could there be a common cause explaining both? Yes, if you are in good health, with good genes, a good job, leisure time and money, then probably you are the type of person who'll live longer, sport more, and be cognitively…

>Let's do it one more time. Correlation != Causation

No, please let's not.

This almost automatic HN reaction to every research is the lowest tier of facile dismissal.

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by thefz »

pif wrote: post #20

If you want slimmer people, invest in hunger-stopping pills. Have a lettuce satiate you like two ham and cheese baguettes, and the obesity problem will disappear overnight.

Exercise has benefits that span far beyond weight loss, like the article you clearly haven't opened states. In fact, in many cases it's not even necessary for weight loss alone, as controlling the caloric input is enough.

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by VBprogrammer »

branko_d wrote: post #31
throwawaysleep wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The barrier to exercise isn’t money in most cases. It is that exercise is misery. Exercise sucks. I am overweight. I much prefer Ozempic (and pay a substantial premium for it) vs lifestyle change. So do millions of other Americans who are shelling out for it. You would basically need to economically torture fat people to the point that exercise is less horrible than your incentives. I’m paying 8K a year to avoid exer…

I’ll hazard a guess: you never liked exercise, even as a kid? If that’s the case, I’ll hazard another guess: you lived in an environment where you couldn’t just go out and play whenever you wanted? I might be completely wrong in my guesses, and I apologize if I am. But I strongly believe that all kids are naturally predisposed for physical activity, and it’s the duty of the society to let them do that in an easy and…

Interesting thesis - however I was one of those kids. I had plenty of access to exercise we lived in a quiet housing estate where we could easily play hockey or football in the streets. The only exercise I enjoyed was cycling and that wasn't really the done thing in late high-school.

Weirdly enough, I now go to the gym 3 times a week. I don't love it like some people do but I've made it enough of a habit that I do it anyway.

The main motivation for me was wanting to be active enough to keep up with my kids and a string of minor ailments (mostly not relating to lack of exercise) which gave me a bit of a shove to do something.

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by thefz »

isaacfrond wrote: post #29

Let's do it one more time. Correlation != Causation Could the causation conceivably run the other direction? People with beginning dementia exercise less? Yes, that is quite conceivable actually. Could there be a common cause explaining both? Yes, if you are in good health, with good genes, a good job, leisure time and money, then probably you are the type of person who'll live longer, sport more, and be cognitively…

Sometimes I wonder if commenters in this forum will do anything to try to disprove that exercise is good for health.
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