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Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by tuyiown »

data-ottawa wrote: post #5
peter_retief wrote: post #3

I think the positive effects for physical exercise in cognition and hypertension are fairly well known. There are other factors like alcohol consumption and stress have high correlation on the downside as well. I have a family history of alzheimer's and have hypertension so have a personal interest in looking after my mental health. What I can recommend from personal experience is: 1) Regular exercise with a routine…

In your experience why is alcohol moderation not enough; Is it that the effects of a little are still significant, or that it still lives room for abuse?

Given the focus on hypertension, I'd venture that because alcohol always increases tension, so you have to ban it if you what to avoid any kind of tension peaks.

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by matco11 »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #6
keiferski wrote: post #4

I am no expert on the public health system and so I'm more than willing to be educated/corrected here, but I have the following impression: There is more money to be made by stakeholders treating health problems than there is in preventing them. And so there is a lot more money and effort invested in developing pharmaceutical and treatment solutions than there is in preventing the problems they treat – even though th…

The barrier to exercise isn’t money in most cases. It is that exercise is misery. Exercise sucks. I am overweight. I much prefer Ozempic (and pay a substantial premium for it) vs lifestyle change. So do millions of other Americans who are shelling out for it. You would basically need to economically torture fat people to the point that exercise is less horrible than your incentives. I’m paying 8K a year to avoid exer…

Lots of people love exercise. It can even be a lot of fun to play a game of basketball, soccer, or to dance… We are all different, and one just has to find a type of exercise that one likes.

Also, being low in fat is great, but it’s not the same as also having a developed muscle structure, strong bones, and performant cardiovascular system.

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Post by RandomLensman »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #6
keiferski wrote: post #4

I am no expert on the public health system and so I'm more than willing to be educated/corrected here, but I have the following impression: There is more money to be made by stakeholders treating health problems than there is in preventing them. And so there is a lot more money and effort invested in developing pharmaceutical and treatment solutions than there is in preventing the problems they treat – even though th…

The barrier to exercise isn’t money in most cases. It is that exercise is misery. Exercise sucks. I am overweight. I much prefer Ozempic (and pay a substantial premium for it) vs lifestyle change. So do millions of other Americans who are shelling out for it. You would basically need to economically torture fat people to the point that exercise is less horrible than your incentives. I’m paying 8K a year to avoid exer…

Then the benefits of exercise are broadly inaccessible to you - which is a fair choice. That said, maybe it is useful not to think about excerise as exercise?

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Post by Ma8ee »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #6
keiferski wrote: post #4

I am no expert on the public health system and so I'm more than willing to be educated/corrected here, but I have the following impression: There is more money to be made by stakeholders treating health problems than there is in preventing them. And so there is a lot more money and effort invested in developing pharmaceutical and treatment solutions than there is in preventing the problems they treat – even though th…

The barrier to exercise isn’t money in most cases. It is that exercise is misery. Exercise sucks. I am overweight. I much prefer Ozempic (and pay a substantial premium for it) vs lifestyle change. So do millions of other Americans who are shelling out for it. You would basically need to economically torture fat people to the point that exercise is less horrible than your incentives. I’m paying 8K a year to avoid exer…

Exercise doesn't have to suck. For it not to suck, it has to be on the right level for you (if you think you'll about to puke or die, it's not on the right level), and it has to stimulating in one way or another. If you can't find anything of all the possibilities, from Karate to soccer to windsurfing, stimulating in itself, maybe just reward yourself watching your favourite series on Netflix from a stationary bike.

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Post by peter_retief »

data-ottawa wrote: post #5
peter_retief wrote: post #3

I think the positive effects for physical exercise in cognition and hypertension are fairly well known. There are other factors like alcohol consumption and stress have high correlation on the downside as well. I have a family history of alzheimer's and have hypertension so have a personal interest in looking after my mental health. What I can recommend from personal experience is: 1) Regular exercise with a routine…

In your experience why is alcohol moderation not enough; Is it that the effects of a little are still significant, or that it still lives room for abuse?

I found the effects of low consumption significant.

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by tromp »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #6
keiferski wrote: post #4

I am no expert on the public health system and so I'm more than willing to be educated/corrected here, but I have the following impression: There is more money to be made by stakeholders treating health problems than there is in preventing them. And so there is a lot more money and effort invested in developing pharmaceutical and treatment solutions than there is in preventing the problems they treat – even though th…

The barrier to exercise isn’t money in most cases. It is that exercise is misery. Exercise sucks. I am overweight. I much prefer Ozempic (and pay a substantial premium for it) vs lifestyle change. So do millions of other Americans who are shelling out for it. You would basically need to economically torture fat people to the point that exercise is less horrible than your incentives. I’m paying 8K a year to avoid exer…

Not all exercise sucks.

When the weather is good and I ride my recumbent through the beautiful Dutch landscape, I'm getting both exercise and joy.

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by peter_retief »

old_bayes wrote: post #9
peter_retief wrote: post #3

I think the positive effects for physical exercise in cognition and hypertension are fairly well known. There are other factors like alcohol consumption and stress have high correlation on the downside as well. I have a family history of alzheimer's and have hypertension so have a personal interest in looking after my mental health. What I can recommend from personal experience is: 1) Regular exercise with a routine…

Jesus, you manage stress by doing chores?

Give it a try you may be surprised. It is about attitude rather than the actual task.

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by gniv »

keiferski wrote: post #4

I am no expert on the public health system and so I'm more than willing to be educated/corrected here, but I have the following impression: There is more money to be made by stakeholders treating health problems than there is in preventing them. And so there is a lot more money and effort invested in developing pharmaceutical and treatment solutions than there is in preventing the problems they treat – even though th…

Here in France there seem to be a lot of subsidies for physical activity. For example, each town has a swimming pool, used by kids and adults alike, with very cheap membership. Then there are the associations, each focused on an activity -- tennis, badminton, pilates, etc. If you pay in September for the year, it's again quite cheap.

There are of course typical gyms, but the associations are much more popular afaict.

Re: Vigorous Exercise, Cognitive Decline, and High Blood Pressure

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Post by 082349872349872 »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #6
keiferski wrote: post #4

I am no expert on the public health system and so I'm more than willing to be educated/corrected here, but I have the following impression: There is more money to be made by stakeholders treating health problems than there is in preventing them. And so there is a lot more money and effort invested in developing pharmaceutical and treatment solutions than there is in preventing the problems they treat – even though th…

The barrier to exercise isn’t money in most cases. It is that exercise is misery. Exercise sucks. I am overweight. I much prefer Ozempic (and pay a substantial premium for it) vs lifestyle change. So do millions of other Americans who are shelling out for it. You would basically need to economically torture fat people to the point that exercise is less horrible than your incentives. I’m paying 8K a year to avoid exer…

[There are three types of fun (I, II, III) described in https://www.rei.com/blog/climb/fun-scale ]

That's odd, I'd think even for people who barely exercise there'd be plenty of Type I fun, available much more cheaply than USD 8K/yr. Distance is what matters; people who actually like jogging get their distance in much more quickly than the rest of us, but long slow distances can also be covered much more pleasantly.

(Type II fun is probably indistinguishable from type III fun at the start, but should you ever get more involved in sport you'll discover that there are many, many things that are type II but not type III)

> We condition the masses to hate the country, but simultaneously we condition them to love all country sports. At the same time, we see to it that all country sports shall entail the use of elaborate apparatus. So that they consume manufactured articles as well as transport. —DHC for Central London

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