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Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Post by DANmode »

bushbaba wrote: post #447
0max wrote: post #282

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I've had a dude with a Tagalog accent take over the speakers in my car and asked me and the folks I was inside with to leave because I decided to clown car it with friends visiting from out of state. With that said, there for sure is someone monitoring, but it's similar to how checkout at Amazon Go stores went. I'd be curious to know how this monitoring scales over time.

I’ll be curious how this is profitable long term.

Does your long term include changing from offshoring?

If not, what are you expecting to be prohibitive?

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Post by DANmode »

elbasti wrote: post #405
hyfgfh wrote: post #368

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And mingle with the masses? in SF? Maybe if they re-invent trains or buses again

> Maybe if they re-invent trains or buses again You joke, but I've heard more than one argument about how self-driving cars will drastically improve traffic because, for inter-city travel, they will be able to drive very close together on the highway in a long convoy, leaving almost no space between cars...

It'll end up being the opposite that causes a positive effect, if there's one to be had.

Leaving proper gaps (which next to nobody reading this will be familiar with!) allows for cars to cross, or even merge.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Post by gambiting »

tmpz22 wrote: post #244
itsoktocry wrote: post #215

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I love how we've gone from "Taxis are gross and dirty, that's why I love Uber!" to "Ubers are gross and dirty, that's why I love Waymo!" in the span of 5 years. What do you think comes next? These cars are literally unsupervised.

> These cars are literally unsupervised. Unsupervised in what sense? There's internal cameras that are periodically checked. Weight and seatbelt sensors that give alerts if a passenger is or puts objects in the drivers seat, or if too many individuals get in the car. I'd be shocked if a similar or greater level of observability doesn't also exist outside the car.

>>Unsupervised in what sense? There's internal cameras that are periodically checked.

What do you think is more likely to get vandalized - a room with a human sitting in it, or a room with a camera watching it?

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Post by wdh505 »

dventimi wrote: post #253
fragmede wrote: post #225

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That's a loaded question, but sure, let's go there. The problem with public transportation is that the public is allowed to use them, and the rules, legal and social, are not well defined or enforced. Assaulting other passengers is generally tolerated by the system, depending on the type of assault. Physical assault is considered too far and doesn't go unnoticed, but chemical and audio assault on fellow passengers us…

> That's a loaded question It's not a loaded question to ask what a person means when they introduce a term. > The types of people are those who would assault others on some fashion. That's a tautology. Nobody knows if a person fits the type of person who would assault someone, until after they've gone and assaulted someone.

Breaking news, google introduces social credit system that "only applies to waymo and think of the childen". More at 9

/s

I agree with your point about the approach to the argument, but I think google has enough info to make a way to vet passengers by identifying if you are likely to trash a vehicle.

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Post by gambiting »

Anotheroneagain wrote: post #442
ModernMech wrote: post #377

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So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.

I guess that's why no hotel lets you pay cash.

What? Plenty of hotels let you pay cash. Or is that sarcasm?

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Post by iwontberude »

gambiting wrote: post #453
tmpz22 wrote: post #244

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> These cars are literally unsupervised. Unsupervised in what sense? There's internal cameras that are periodically checked. Weight and seatbelt sensors that give alerts if a passenger is or puts objects in the drivers seat, or if too many individuals get in the car. I'd be shocked if a similar or greater level of observability doesn't also exist outside the car.

>>Unsupervised in what sense? There's internal cameras that are periodically checked. What do you think is more likely to get vandalized - a room with a human sitting in it, or a room with a camera watching it?

The room with the human sitting in it, because humans are known to vandalize things.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

999900000999 wrote: post #176
dventimi wrote: post #145

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> We need some type of off-ramp Now, we're talking. Often, there will be handwringing about low-wage jobs from people who wouldn't dream of working low-wage jobs and who benefit from the existence of low-wage jobs. Often, that will be invoked as a rebuke to automation. But, automation in general isn't a threat to workers or well-being. In fact it's productivity gain which benefits well-being by lowering costs and rai…

Oddly enough people are self-regulating, so few people are having children now because modern economics makes it a bad idea for most people . In my grandfather's time you could work a normal job and buy yourself a three-bedroom house in what's now one of the most expensive cities in America. If I wanted to buy the same house at the same city, me and a partner would both have to make 150k to 200k each. And even then w…

If you're the age I think you are (mid-30s), then during your grandfather's time most women didn't work and many racial minorities were barred from many jobs and forms of housing. If you cut the labor supply in half or more, then wages naturally go up because demand doesn't change that much per capita.

That said I completely agree with you about everything else. I think the US needs to firm up its social safety net (hopefully through UBI, though I'm not hopeful) ASAP. I don't think AI will take over the world or even remove all jobs, but it will remove enough in our lifetime that we'll have a crisis of low-skilled employees out of work who just won't be able to transition into a job that pays well enough to pay four healthcare, housing, and transportation. Housing itself is a really hard problem too for various other complicated reasons.

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Post by x-complexity »

immibis wrote: post #391
hilbertseries wrote: post #371

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Taxis have basically no recourse if you just ditch. Waymo has a video of you, your full name, your billing address and your credit card on file.

Some taxis have that too. Where does it get them?

> Some taxis have that too. Where does it get them?

The keyword there being "some". If an account is tied to the person, recourse for negligent/malicious behavior can be applied, but that only works if there's an account to add the penalty to.

On Waymo's part, requiring an account to use the service would be in the benefit of the service as a whole.

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Post by vkou »

gambiting wrote: post #455
Anotheroneagain wrote: post #442

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I guess that's why no hotel lets you pay cash.

What? Plenty of hotels let you pay cash. Or is that sarcasm?

They'll accept cash if you fork out a $300 deposit, and the people who are likely to both pay cash and trash a room rarely have that much extra money on hand.

A friend of mine works night audit in a rough part of the valley. As soon as he says the magic words 'we require a major credit card or a $300 deposit', they immediately hang up.

Re: Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco

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Post by x-complexity »

ModernMech wrote: post #377
hilbertseries wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxis have basically no recourse if you just ditch. Waymo has a video of you, your full name, your billing address and your credit card on file.

So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.

> So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.

The point is when there's damage, it can be billed to the malicious actor in question.

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