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Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by gabeio »

crowcroft wrote: post #190

What's the difference between anti-competitive bundling, and developing seamless integrated experiences? If this is anti-competitive, is it anti-competitive for Apple to bundle music features/up-sell into the iOS UI, or provide an interface for headphones that no other manufacturer can integrate with?

While they offer it they don’t hand it to you for free just because you bought their iCloud storage. The issue here seems to be aimed squarely at slack and the like which have been in-theory pushed out of the market by teams. Of course most of us know that’s unfortunate because if they actually used teams for a little they wouldn’t use it even if it was bundled (probably why MS is trying to stick it everywhere).

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by skywhopper »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #200
dsalfdslfdsa wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you don't have much experience with Windows and MS software. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/why-do...

I administer a Windows domain at my job that I do 40 hours a week so your assessment of me is just wrong and also offensive. I just restarted one of the workstations with Teams startup enabled and Teams ran when the computer restarted. Then I tried disabling Teams startup in the task manager on the same workstation and then restarted the workstation, and Teams hasn't started. I checked the startup tab in the task man…

lol, a GPO. Very reasonable solution for a home user.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by pndy »

dsalfdslfdsa wrote: post #74
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Windows you can use the task manager to configure what programs are started with your computer.

Sounds like you don't have much experience with Windows and MS software. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/why-do...

Not sure about other people here but I really liked how autostart used to work in 7 and before - just drop a shortcut in the Start menu folder and you're done. In 10 at some point, in order to have 3rd party software launched at login I had to use task scheduler.

Also, funny thing: clicking this link pushes me thru https://login.microsoftonline.com/common/oauth2/v2.0/authori...(...) - feels like they're expecting me using Edge so they could log me in automatically with snatched MSA credentials

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by pndy »

ssahoo wrote: post #63

Why don't they apply the laws universally and effectively make this kind of bundling illegal for mega corporations? For endusers, it feels like they are playing with different rules for Microsoft Apple Adobe and Google. Since EU waits until the damage is done and milks them, it barely helps the situation for consumers. For corps they just assume the penalty as cost of doing business.

Endusers should have a total control over what is getting installed on their machines - just like we used to not so long ago or how some Linux distros allows you to select additional software. Each operating system coming from the biggest corporations should offer two paths: express/recommended setup and a fully customizable one for advanced users.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by psunavy03 »

bragh wrote: post #208
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I administer a Windows domain at my job that I do 40 hours a week so your assessment of me is just wrong and also offensive. I just restarted one of the workstations with Teams startup enabled and Teams ran when the computer restarted. Then I tried disabling Teams startup in the task manager on the same workstation and then restarted the workstation, and Teams hasn't started. I checked the startup tab in the task man…

This is the thing: Windows admins praise Windows when they are running a completely different edition of Windows with different configurable behaviors. It looks a lot different for home users who almost certainly do not even know what a GPO is. And this also raises the suspicion of which exact Windows edition those admins are running on their home computer(s) and how they obtained the license for that...

> It looks a lot different for home users who almost certainly do not even know what a GPO is.

Sounds like the Windows version of saying "I don't understand why the whole world isn't running Linux."

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by pompino »

phito wrote: post #113
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Windows you can use the task manager to configure what programs are started with your computer.

Why do Windows users try so hard to keep defending their OS's shitty behaviors? It's always "you can disable it" (but it might come back automatically after an update), and when you can't disable it (one drive), it's "just don't use it".

Why are you so upset that people derive a lot of value from Windows? Enough that they want to keep using it, and defend it because they don't agree with the "everything is broken" meme.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by nickff »

rockooooo wrote: post #212
stonemetal12 wrote: post #164

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Why is bundling Teams illegal, but bundling Word, Excel and the rest of the office bits totally cool?

It shouldn't be! Forcing big companies to unbundle product pricing would give new entrants to the market a fighting change at success.

Should they have to un-bundle Windows Explorer, Notepad, Photo Viewer, Control Panel, and all the other utilities as well, under the same logic? If not, why?

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by irusensei »

stefan_ wrote: post #207
BigJono wrote: post #100

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What would I ever do without my software engineering team collaboration tool that can't send a fucking code snippet without burning half the screen on whitespace and a 400px font size title lol

My favorite Teams bug and it took me a moment to understand the stupidity of what was happening: you copy a message you have received from someone and send it back to them. It is invisible on their screen. You have dark mode so what you copied was white text, which ends up being white on their light mode Teams. Nowadays I just get irrationally angry at the utter imbecile that decided you want to copy an abbreviated d…

Copy and paste retaining style is one of the most annoying things in normie computing. Just why? And on teams it basically infects any other text you right afterwards.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by 7952 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #170
dacryn wrote: post #99

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it's because teams is not really free It's free per user, but it's quite expensive if you start adding meeting rooms, voip, webinar, ... Zoom+slack are literally cheaper in total, but the startup cost is very visible and teams startup cost is 0.

It’s also because the people who often mandate Teams are more comfortable with the Microsoft ecosystem. They run Windows rather than macOS. They think in terms of Active Directory. If it’s not MS then it isn’t “enterprise” in their world view.

And often their core responsibility will be security, governance, vendor management, digital transformation etc. Not the actual operations of the business or the comfort and productivity of staff.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by swozey »

mikestew wrote: post #168
indiantinker wrote: post #153

Hate teams! I have heard many friends quit companies as they could not stand using teams after companies abandoned slack to jump on the free teams bandwagon. They had to hire Microsoft experts to manage the IT infrastructure which was just auto-managed before Microsoft sold them the stack.

I have heard many friends quit companies as they could not stand using teams I could believe that one might have a friend that is privileged enough (and petty enough) to quit over such trivialities. But “many”? Color me…skeptical.

At the height of Covid I know a bunch of companies that started using Teams to effectively monitor their employee idle time at PCs. Teams had a much more robust admin/usage reporting system. That's when those little mouse jigglers started showing up all over Amazon to keep your machine from appearing idle.

I'm in a decent amount of engineering social channels and while I never heard someone leave specifically for that i could see it. I absolutely saw people not take jobs because of it.

Which, considering all of the layoffs and how the markets going now, I miss having that power.

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