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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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I’m curious what materially changed beyond Slack complaining. Microsoft has long bundled Lync/Skype-for-Business with Office 365. Hell it did that, I’m pretty sure, before Slack even existed.

skype for business didn't really take off as much as team now. Team spread like a cancer like nothing else before.

Fair enough - also lol at people downvoting. It was an honest question.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's as if they saw how badly they messed up the Lync -> "Skype for business" transition and thought, "Yeah let's try that again".

IMO, the thing that went wrong with Lync->SFB transition was they bought Skype based on the idea that they could do something to merge the code with Lync, but over a year or two found out that that the only value was in the Skype branding, and the code and architecture of it was a dumpster fire. While the whole org was distracted by that, Teams came along and showed them what a rewrite from the ground up could do.

Teams (Web) showed them.

Teams (Windows, Old) showed them a rewrite from the ground up could still be a dumpster fire.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Windows you can use the task manager to configure what programs are started with your computer.

Why do Windows users try so hard to keep defending their OS's shitty behaviors? It's always "you can disable it" (but it might come back automatically after an update), and when you can't disable it (one drive), it's "just don't use it".

I think it's a bit overblown. I don't have OneDrive enabled or Teams on my personal device and it was easy and mostly forgettable. I haven't any issues with it coming back after an update or anything. Edge isn't my default browser either.

I feel like people want Windows to be evil so they oversell the issues.

That's not to say that Microsoft should be forgiven for their obvious over-promotion of internal products. They really need a strong hand to rein in all these departments with their own metrics and agendas.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Oh well. I guess it's time for Microsoft to discontinue Teams, destroy any related IP, purge any copies from GitHub/developer workstations/backups, forcibly uninstall it from end-user machines, update Windows to forcibly delete any copies installed in the future, and never, ever, ever under any circumstances try to compete in the chat/video conferencing market ever again. The world will survive, if just barely.

What would I ever do without my software engineering team collaboration tool that can't send a fucking code snippet without burning half the screen on whitespace and a 400px font size title lol

My favorite Teams bug and it took me a moment to understand the stupidity of what was happening: you copy a message you have received from someone and send it back to them. It is invisible on their screen. You have dark mode so what you copied was white text, which ends up being white on their light mode Teams.

Nowadays I just get irrationally angry at the utter imbecile that decided you want to copy an abbreviated date and the sender name whenever you copy a message.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you don't have much experience with Windows and MS software. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/why-do...

I administer a Windows domain at my job that I do 40 hours a week so your assessment of me is just wrong and also offensive. I just restarted one of the workstations with Teams startup enabled and Teams ran when the computer restarted. Then I tried disabling Teams startup in the task manager on the same workstation and then restarted the workstation, and Teams hasn't started. I checked the startup tab in the task man…

This is the thing: Windows admins praise Windows when they are running a completely different edition of Windows with different configurable behaviors. It looks a lot different for home users who almost certainly do not even know what a GPO is. And this also raises the suspicion of which exact Windows edition those admins are running on their home computer(s) and how they obtained the license for that...

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

#209

Oh well. I guess it's time for Microsoft to discontinue Teams, destroy any related IP, purge any copies from GitHub/developer workstations/backups, forcibly uninstall it from end-user machines, update Windows to forcibly delete any copies installed in the future, and never, ever, ever under any circumstances try to compete in the chat/video conferencing market ever again. The world will survive, if just barely.

What would I ever do without my software engineering team collaboration tool that can't send a fucking code snippet without burning half the screen on whitespace and a 400px font size title lol

I mostly use "> " for this, but that might hit the message length restriction, then you are forced to use the snippet thing.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

#210

What's the difference between anti-competitive bundling, and developing seamless integrated experiences? If this is anti-competitive, is it anti-competitive for Apple to bundle music features/up-sell into the iOS UI, or provide an interface for headphones that no other manufacturer can integrate with?

> What's the difference between anti-competitive bundling, and developing seamless integrated experiences?

The availability of APIs for third-party developers to create a similar competing experience.

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