Good. In our small company of two dozen people we use Teams only because of external clients. Otherwise we do away with Google Workspace and self-hosted stuff like GitLab.
Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#222The EU step is complete. Now get all your co-workers and random people in your company to stop scheduling stuff in Teams (better yet, just stop having meetings - a day of them gets mind-numbing, having them practically every day is painful.)
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
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Sounds like you don't have much experience with Windows and MS software. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/why-do...
I administer a Windows domain at my job that I do 40 hours a week so your assessment of me is just wrong and also offensive. I just restarted one of the workstations with Teams startup enabled and Teams ran when the computer restarted. Then I tried disabling Teams startup in the task manager on the same workstation and then restarted the workstation, and Teams hasn't started. I checked the startup tab in the task man…
You haven't re-created the described problem - Teams sets itself to auto-start again after you start it yourself. After all, it's very reasonable that you might want to join the occasional Teams meeting but not want it running after every boot.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#224Literally everything from Microsoft is bundled in some anti competitive way. Edge and Windows. Teams and Office. Excel and Word. GitHub and VS. One Drive and Windows. All of it must be forced to split up and operate as separate companies. It is the ONLY way to not distort the market. Additionally, fines must be enacted RETROACTIVELY, along with jail time for executives. Enough is enough.
This. At the least, Office et al should be spun off. The US has lost the will to split up anticompetitive companies.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you define "not related" - why would a collaboration tool not be considered part of something called "office suite"? Also to the parent's point, why is it that Google are allowed to bundle Meet as part of their Google Workspace - it does seem like the violations are only applied based on retroactive decisions.
Generally, you define a market by the market participants. There are people who need only the the office suite, and there are those who need the office suite and the colab chat but not necessarily by the same provider. This is visible by the fact that you have colab software providers like slack/zoom. Microsoft is targeted at the moment because they are market leader on the office suite market and they are leveraging…
But where do you draw the line? In college, I used Word a lot and barely used Excel. At work I use Excel way more than Word (and often times I could easily just use a simple markdown editor instead of Word so I arguably wouldn't use that either). So they seem to be two different markets. I probably use the integrations between Excel and Teams more than I use the integrations between Word and Excel so bundling Teams makes more sense to me.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#227I already know how this will be solved: Microsoft will pay a (small) fine and file it under "the cost of doing business" while the damage is already done. Teams is one of the absolutely worst products ever programmed, it's hiliarious how bad it is. It only reached its market share because Microsoft gave it away "for free" with Office 365 or MS 365 or whatever it's called now.
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Linq is a C# DSL for SQL. You must have been thinking about Lync.
It’s not just a DSL, it’s also the fluent API. Because one thing Microsoft loves more than money, is confusing people with their naming.
They say that "naming things is hard," but tbh I think some people and orgs are just really bad at naming.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#229Oh well. I guess it's time for Microsoft to discontinue Teams, destroy any related IP, purge any copies from GitHub/developer workstations/backups, forcibly uninstall it from end-user machines, update Windows to forcibly delete any copies installed in the future, and never, ever, ever under any circumstances try to compete in the chat/video conferencing market ever again. The world will survive, if just barely.
What would I ever do without my software engineering team collaboration tool that can't send a fucking code snippet without burning half the screen on whitespace and a 400px font size title lol
Haha I've faced this issue for years but it seems like they fixed it. You now can also set the code highlighting option directly from the editor without going into options. Took them years unfortunately.
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It auto-runs all the time. I've got a work laptop with a teams for the work domain which I want. There's also a completely different copy of teams, "Microsoft teams (Personal)" teams, which I have to close. Not just every boot, even after I close it manually, I still find it running constantly. I've no idea what triggers it, but it doesn't seem to obey any startup settings.
Ha, that's another thing that grinds my gears. Teams, Teams (Personal) Teams (new)... WTF people you're supposed to know what you're doing here.
This trend in MS software is utterly embarrassing. Every time I see these icons I cannot believe someone approved this approach.