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Adjacent point, but I recently bought a Windows laptop (after 10 years on Mac). I've been blown away by the sheer amount of advertising & upsells at OS level. Some of it you can turn off, but others you can't seem to (for me at least). I don't ever remember Windows feeling like you're borrowing it from MS.
I hate on Microsoft every chance I get, but how is this situation different than Google bundling Meet on Android? Should Google be worried?
The issue is not that "Microsoft bundled Teams" but rather that Microsoft came to companies like mine at the time and essentially said "We are deprecating Skype and we are offering this resource-hungry, bug-ridden program called Teams as only replacement. You don't have to use it, but we'll bill you for it anyway". They knew full well that the average IT department would not approve paying for a second tool and offer…
I never understood how Microsoft giving you software you are not forced to use is bad, but apple limiting which software you can run on your device is not. From anti user perspective MS does a lot worse than adding teams - mandatory online accounts to begin with.
> apple limiting which software you can run on your device is not If you are talking about iOS and the app store, that is another ongoing battle between the European Commission and Apple. It has been reported here on HN a number of times recently.
Why don't they apply the laws universally and effectively make this kind of bundling illegal for mega corporations? For endusers, it feels like they are playing with different rules for Microsoft Apple Adobe and Google. Since EU waits until the damage is done and milks them, it barely helps the situation for consumers. For corps they just assume the penalty as cost of doing business.
Adjacent point, but I recently bought a Windows laptop (after 10 years on Mac). I've been blown away by the sheer amount of advertising & upsells at OS level. Some of it you can turn off, but others you can't seem to (for me at least). I don't ever remember Windows feeling like you're borrowing it from MS.
On the corporate laptops I am lent the advertising is generally minimal, but non-zero, and that surprised me. If I search I don't want whatever you are selling I want files on this computer or maybe documents on the corporate network. That struck me as inappropriate, but the constant bombard of noise on the personal computer is outrageous. Ads in the start menu, news going to sites with ads, popups, and that is before software, steam has its own too, but at least it moderates to one ad each launch.
Installing Gentoo is easier than avoiding ads on windows.
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War? The EU didn't start a war when the US blew up nordstream 2. In fact they spent a lot of time nervously pointing at everyone except the US (who said they would blow it up). It's a totally abusive and subservient relationship. But then again the US doesn't allow the EU to have software companies, so they might not care that the data that would go to Teams is being hovered by a different US company instead.
> War? The EU didn't start a war when the US blew up nordstream 2. As people, who most likely are outside of the intelligence community, we don't know who blew up NS2. Current lead suspect is Ukraine, although speculation ranges from the US to the Russians doing it themselves. Of course, if there's some substancial evidence aside from "Biden said something one time", I'm sure people would be interested. But before su…
Current lead suspect is Russia. Don't repeate Russian propaganda.
Adjacent point, but I recently bought a Windows laptop (after 10 years on Mac). I've been blown away by the sheer amount of advertising & upsells at OS level. Some of it you can turn off, but others you can't seem to (for me at least). I don't ever remember Windows feeling like you're borrowing it from MS.
Thank you!!
That describes the feeling i've had with so much software in recent years, i just wasn't sure how to say until reading it from you.
Hate teams! I have heard many friends quit companies as they could not stand using teams after companies abandoned slack to jump on the free teams bandwagon. They had to hire Microsoft experts to manage the IT infrastructure which was just auto-managed before Microsoft sold them the stack.
I could believe that one might have a friend that is privileged enough (and petty enough) to quit over such trivialities. But “many”? Color me…skeptical.
I thought this was going to be about bundling Teams in O365 and other biz deals. It's wild to me that Teams is so fucking horrible that many businesses who effectively get it for free as part of other dealings still choose to pay for Slack. Sadly I know of many, many more companies where the offer is indeed too good to refuse, much to the disappointment of their workforce. I was helping out at a place where two emplo…
it's because teams is not really free It's free per user, but it's quite expensive if you start adding meeting rooms, voip, webinar, ... Zoom+slack are literally cheaper in total, but the startup cost is very visible and teams startup cost is 0.
They run Windows rather than macOS. They think in terms of Active Directory. If it’s not MS then it isn’t “enterprise” in their world view.