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Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#152Wait, so then is it ALSO illegal to tie FaceTime to iOS?
And whatever the Google thing is called with Gmail?
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#153Hate teams! I have heard many friends quit companies as they could not stand using teams after companies abandoned slack to jump on the free teams bandwagon. They had to hire Microsoft experts to manage the IT infrastructure which was just auto-managed before Microsoft sold them the stack.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
wget begs to differ. Kidding aside, where exactly does it end? How do you consider when you’ve hit “too much” and how many pieces must be split out when you do? Should every product in the Office suite be offered only individually?
What if we just make them bundle their competitors products if they want to buy dle their own? That means that Firefox nextcloud and bitwarden are installed by default on windows/macs
What about my startup nextercloud? Why am I being discriminated against!?
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#155Seems a little odd given that they unbundled it in Europe.
that's what this is about, the EU warned MS to unbundle, and they are not impressed with how they have implemented it. Yes you can buy teams separate from office now, but MS is still clearly abusing their market dominance to force teams upon you (same about onedrive to be fair)
The article is not clear to me. Is the complaint that Microsoft’s changes were not sufficient? Or is the complain that Microsoft’s behavior prior to the change is punishable now?
The article states
> The software giant unbundled Teams from Office in Europe last year in an attempt to address regulator concerns
Which is a pretty generic statement that makes it hard to follow why they would be accused of bundling still
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#156I never understood how Microsoft giving you software you are not forced to use is bad, but apple limiting which software you can run on your device is not. From anti user perspective MS does a lot worse than adding teams - mandatory online accounts to begin with.
> how Microsoft giving you software you are not forced to use is bad
This does not represent the actual reality where MS crams their products down users’ orifices - like so many other companies do too.
> but apple limiting which software you can run on your device is not
This is also bad. Users deserve the respect and right to have general purpose computing platforms be open.
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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#157I never understood how Microsoft giving you software you are not forced to use is bad, but apple limiting which software you can run on your device is not. From anti user perspective MS does a lot worse than adding teams - mandatory online accounts to begin with.
> apple limiting which software you can run on your device is not
If you are talking about iOS and the app store, that is another ongoing battle between the European Commission and Apple. It has been reported here on HN a number of times recently.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#158I thought this was going to be about bundling Teams in O365 and other biz deals. It's wild to me that Teams is so fucking horrible that many businesses who effectively get it for free as part of other dealings still choose to pay for Slack. Sadly I know of many, many more companies where the offer is indeed too good to refuse, much to the disappointment of their workforce. I was helping out at a place where two emplo…
> It's wild to me that Teams is so fucking horrible that many businesses who effectively get it for free as part of other dealings still choose to pay for Slack. I don't agree. For many years now I use Linux. I pay for Slack because some of my clients use it and it is convenient. For some other clients I need to use Teams. I like Teams better. I never had issues with them. Slack I reinstall every 2-3 months because i…
They must have improved something because last time I tried, it had the sound quality of a 90s phone box on Linux because they copied over the Skype code which never worked.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ha, that's another thing that grinds my gears. Teams, Teams (Personal) Teams (new)... WTF people you're supposed to know what you're doing here.
It's as if they saw how badly they messed up the Lync -> "Skype for business" transition and thought, "Yeah let's try that again".
Linq is a C# DSL for SQL. You must have been thinking about Lync.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#160EU keeps on delivering today!
This isn't going to stop anything. It is just going to result in bribes to the countries and some small to Microsoft fine.