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Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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post #31

Seems a little odd given that they unbundled it in Europe.

that's what this is about, the EU warned MS to unbundle, and they are not impressed with how they have implemented it.

Yes you can buy teams separate from office now, but MS is still clearly abusing their market dominance to force teams upon you (same about onedrive to be fair)

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Legality is not science, most of the time, the definition of what's wrong is blurry and humans have to debate about it.

Laws shouldn't be written without clear lines - how can a person who wants to avoid breaking the law do that if we have an ever growing list of laws full of gray area and blurry lines?

You're not supposed to. The state is always supposed to have a treasure trove of possible crimes they can smack you with.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

#104

Oh well. I guess it's time for Microsoft to discontinue Teams, destroy any related IP, purge any copies from GitHub/developer workstations/backups, forcibly uninstall it from end-user machines, update Windows to forcibly delete any copies installed in the future, and never, ever, ever under any circumstances try to compete in the chat/video conferencing market ever again. The world will survive, if just barely.

Don’t forget compensation! Microsoft should be forced to pay compensation to anyone who has ever used Teams, scaled in proportion to the number of hours they’ve had to leave it running on their computer.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

#105
post #26

They don't just bundle it, they make it auto-start on screen on Windows machines whether you've got an account or not.

In Windows you can use the task manager to configure what programs are started with your computer.

Apart from the fact that most people don't have a clue, and it shouldn't even have started to begin with... how then? I can see e.g. Widgets in the task manager. How do I disable the service permanently from the task manager?

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Yep. We need to do Google. Every carrier has basically been coerced into using Google's hosted RCS service provider. https://jibe.google.com/ Funny thing is the last I checked RCS still doesn't have any APIs/third party access and if you use a rooted device Google Messages will fail to send RCS even to the carrier's Jibe instance?

Yep, and now there's also device attestation a.k.a. root/jailbreak detection. If you fail it, no RCS for you at all. What a great open standard!

https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/1/24087418/google-messages-b...

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

#107

Oh well. I guess it's time for Microsoft to discontinue Teams, destroy any related IP, purge any copies from GitHub/developer workstations/backups, forcibly uninstall it from end-user machines, update Windows to forcibly delete any copies installed in the future, and never, ever, ever under any circumstances try to compete in the chat/video conferencing market ever again. The world will survive, if just barely.

What would I ever do without my software engineering team collaboration tool that can't send a fucking code snippet without burning half the screen on whitespace and a 400px font size title lol

And that’s the upgraded version. Previously it just… wasn’t possible at all?

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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post #63

Why don't they apply the laws universally and effectively make this kind of bundling illegal for mega corporations? For endusers, it feels like they are playing with different rules for Microsoft Apple Adobe and Google. Since EU waits until the damage is done and milks them, it barely helps the situation for consumers. For corps they just assume the penalty as cost of doing business.

Because this is not bundling of features, but of market products. Here the bundling merges two markets which are not related, while it might make sense to bundle word and excel for example which are parts of an office suite while teams is totally different business solution.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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post #77
post #52

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Defaults and bundling are inherently unfair. Chrome shouldn't be bundled with Android. Google search shouldn't be the default. Google Wallet / Google Pay shouldn't be the default. Same for Apple and Microsoft. Apple Cash shouldn't be the default in Messages, ... the list goes on and on. Platform providers can easily attack businesses outside of their core business by setting defaults. They use these synergies to wiel…

> Google search shouldn't be the default. At least for me, chrome was asking me last week what search engine I want to use. Made me switch to duckduckgo.

yeah me to.

The DSA and the DMA doing what they are designed to do (in Europe)

It's unfortunate that the regulators and legislators will have to fight over every one of those services individually for a while until mega corps get tired of their games and retreat to making train- instead of boat loads of money.

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