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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Soon the EU will charge parents for giving their children undue advantages as well. In all seriousness - giving yourself an advantage is obviously what all companies want to do. Why doesn’t the EU just, for each company, say exactly what they want? I honestly don’t understand the EU - they don’t want any company to do anything to have an advantage compared to their competitors? Seems like an exercise in mediocrity. I…

> they don’t want any company to do anything to have an advantage compared to their competitors?

You could just have a better product

It's quite the simple thought experiment, if teams is a better product than the alternatives no harm will come of it from being unbundled from unrelated products

If on the other hand its usage will fall then that means that there were better (for some users) products whose creators were being harmed not because of any fault of their product but because their product wasn't owned by an established company which could exploit its own position

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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EU keeps on delivering today!

Defaults and bundling are inherently unfair. Chrome shouldn't be bundled with Android. Google search shouldn't be the default. Google Wallet / Google Pay shouldn't be the default. Same for Apple and Microsoft. Apple Cash shouldn't be the default in Messages, ... the list goes on and on. Platform providers can easily attack businesses outside of their core business by setting defaults. They use these synergies to wiel…

The browser is a tricky one. It is the chicken that lays the rest of the eggs.

I’m not going to tell my mom how to curl a copy of Brave onto her machine because no browser was provided.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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I already know how this will be solved: Microsoft will pay a (small) fine and file it under "the cost of doing business" while the damage is already done. Teams is one of the absolutely worst products ever programmed, it's hiliarious how bad it is. It only reached its market share because Microsoft gave it away "for free" with Office 365 or MS 365 or whatever it's called now.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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They don't just bundle it, they make it auto-start on screen on Windows machines whether you've got an account or not.

In Windows you can use the task manager to configure what programs are started with your computer.

Sounds like you don't have much experience with Windows and MS software.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/why-do...

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

#75

Soon the EU will charge parents for giving their children undue advantages as well. In all seriousness - giving yourself an advantage is obviously what all companies want to do. Why doesn’t the EU just, for each company, say exactly what they want? I honestly don’t understand the EU - they don’t want any company to do anything to have an advantage compared to their competitors? Seems like an exercise in mediocrity. I…

Teams is "an exercise in mediocrity".

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defaults and bundling are inherently unfair. Chrome shouldn't be bundled with Android. Google search shouldn't be the default. Google Wallet / Google Pay shouldn't be the default. Same for Apple and Microsoft. Apple Cash shouldn't be the default in Messages, ... the list goes on and on. Platform providers can easily attack businesses outside of their core business by setting defaults. They use these synergies to wiel…

The browser is a tricky one. It is the chicken that lays the rest of the eggs. I’m not going to tell my mom how to curl a copy of Brave onto her machine because no browser was provided.

yes, would be unfair towards all the other http tools that arent curl if you bundle it

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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post #52
post #23

EU keeps on delivering today!

Defaults and bundling are inherently unfair. Chrome shouldn't be bundled with Android. Google search shouldn't be the default. Google Wallet / Google Pay shouldn't be the default. Same for Apple and Microsoft. Apple Cash shouldn't be the default in Messages, ... the list goes on and on. Platform providers can easily attack businesses outside of their core business by setting defaults. They use these synergies to wiel…

> Google search shouldn't be the default.

At least for me, chrome was asking me last week what search engine I want to use. Made me switch to duckduckgo.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defaults and bundling are inherently unfair. Chrome shouldn't be bundled with Android. Google search shouldn't be the default. Google Wallet / Google Pay shouldn't be the default. Same for Apple and Microsoft. Apple Cash shouldn't be the default in Messages, ... the list goes on and on. Platform providers can easily attack businesses outside of their core business by setting defaults. They use these synergies to wiel…

The browser is a tricky one. It is the chicken that lays the rest of the eggs. I’m not going to tell my mom how to curl a copy of Brave onto her machine because no browser was provided.

Browsers are particularly tricky because they are also a software development platform which needs to be reliable as the OS is. In some browsers like ChromeOS they are even the primary one.
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