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Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Isn't there a subway connection or something? I mean, it is an international airport and a big city...

Taking the subway with potentially heavy check-in bags isn’t always possible. I wouldn’t say it’s the most convenient trip and I can understand why someone would prefer an Uber or taxi option.

It's always possible, just rarely preferred and almost never easy.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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That's not really true. You can take the subway to JFK -- it's the A train. Or even faster, take the LIRR. For both, you have to transfer to the AirTrain for the last short stretch, but that train brings you directly to each terminal so you'd need to get on it anyways. And you can take NJ Transit light rail from Penn Station to Newark, it's 3 stops. It's not technically the subway -- but it's better because it goes f…

Yeah no. You can take the subway to a LIRR station called Jamaica or a parking lot in Howard Beach. Neither is actually at the airport let alone within a mile of an actual check in counter. NJ transit isn’t a subway, and even so you still can’t take it to Newark Airport. You can get off a mile or two from the nearest terminal. Utterly inexplicably, the PATH train, which is reasonably described as a subway system, sto…

You're being unreasonably pedantic.

What does it matter whether it's technically a "subway" train or a train that is not technically a "subway" but works the same?

The point is, you can take the train to two of NYC's three major airports.

(And no, AirTrains are not buses. That's a bizarre and false thing to say. They're trains.)

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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If this were true, how would you explain that both drivers and riders enter into the relationship voluntarily. Most of my uber drivers have been intelligent and knowledgeable about their options - quite the opposite of exploited and vulnerable.

How do you explain a College Student with no disposable income signing up for a Credit Card? I drove for Uber/Lyft for a while. I fully understood I was converting the equity in my car into meals and rent. Most people don't get that at all.

>Most people don't get that at all.

What makes you think that?

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#94

F*ck Uber. I wish the United States would do what Greece did.

Negative gdp growth and a rapidly declining standard of living?

Miraculously, the US has managed to achieve positive gdp growth and a rapidly declining standard of living.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#95

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Wow, we've gone full circle. I remember when being able to reliably get an Uber to JFK was a selling point over taxis.

Isn't there a subway connection or something? I mean, it is an international airport and a big city...

The US has a peculiar bit of transit bureaucracy that (until 2021) made it difficult to fund integrating airports into wider transit networks. Airports could charge fees to passengers to fund transportation improvements, but only if those transit networks were exclusively for transit to and from the airport, so you couldn't just add a subway stop. JFK, for example, has its own train ("Airtrain JFK") that goes from a near-ish subway station to the airport.

That makes it take more than an hour on transit (including ~2 transfers and 15 mins of walking) to get from Grand Central Station to JFK. It also costs more than $10 total, as opposed to the $3 that a subway ride costs.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#96
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"...making it difficult for drivers to plan work shifts and treat Uber as a full-time job." So which is it they want flexible gig work that they can do at their own schedule in their own pace, or do they want planned work shifts in a full-time job. It seems what drivers are really asking for his money without any work. Because taking flexible gig work means you have the flexibility to work when you want without plann…

By your reasoning literally every job is “gig work”.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Wow, we've gone full circle. I remember when being able to reliably get an Uber to JFK was a selling point over taxis.

Isn't there a subway connection or something? I mean, it is an international airport and a big city...

Yes, but my mother doesn't live in New York proper, and getting there via public transit would require, uh, I think four different things? Bus to the train to the subway to the airtrain.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#98

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Yeah, which is why it's confusing that my mom had two drivers reject her the last time she needed to get to the airport when I wasn't able to give her a ride to JFK.

Some drivers just don't like going to airports. It's not that confusing. It's possible that the fact they could see the destination is precisely why the rejected it.

Maybe I don't understand how Uber works, but why would they have accepted it to begin with?

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Yeah no. You can take the subway to a LIRR station called Jamaica or a parking lot in Howard Beach. Neither is actually at the airport let alone within a mile of an actual check in counter. NJ transit isn’t a subway, and even so you still can’t take it to Newark Airport. You can get off a mile or two from the nearest terminal. Utterly inexplicably, the PATH train, which is reasonably described as a subway system, sto…

You're being unreasonably pedantic. What does it matter whether it's technically a "subway" train or a train that is not technically a "subway" but works the same? The point is, you can take the train to two of NYC's three major airports. (And no, AirTrains are not buses. That's a bizarre and false thing to say. They're trains.)

The difference is that the subway is the main transit mode. OP is very reasonably complaining that every reasonable public transit option to NYC airports is multi agency and multi modal.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Some drivers just don't like going to airports. It's not that confusing. It's possible that the fact they could see the destination is precisely why the rejected it.

Maybe I don't understand how Uber works, but why would they have accepted it to begin with?

Drivers are often assigned their next ride while they are still dropping off their current passenger(s), so if they are a good driver they won't look at the details of the next ride until they have dropped off their current passenger(s). Once they are stopped and able to safely look at their device again, they can at that point decide they don't want the next ride. At that point, the app has to play roulette to find another driver.
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