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Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Post by qeternity »

nilamo wrote: post #10
elmerfud wrote: post #3

"...making it difficult for drivers to plan work shifts and treat Uber as a full-time job." So which is it they want flexible gig work that they can do at their own schedule in their own pace, or do they want planned work shifts in a full-time job. It seems what drivers are really asking for his money without any work. Because taking flexible gig work means you have the flexibility to work when you want without plann…

Maybe all of these issues would be solved of they were salaried employees, who could drive when they wanted...

What?!? Would you employee people full-time and let them work whenever they felt like it?

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Post by lazyasciiart »

elmerfud wrote: post #6
quantified wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't an "Uber driver" in that sense any more than there is a "person". Early on it was part-time and more gig labor. When you're being leased the vehicle via Uber themselves [ https://www.uber.com/us/en/drive/vehicle-solutions/ ] it's definitely pushing towards real job. I wonder how many of those locked-out drivers are paying for those cars on the lease program, or if they get preference. Take a taxi, people!

But you're acting like this is an "on an iPhone" experience that's new to the world. The idea of being leased equipment from someone for contract or gig labor is not new and hasn't been new for many many decades. So if you're complaining about the idea that companies who hire contract labor or gig work style labor can also lease out equipment necessary to do that labor, should the person choose to lease it from them,…

How was that comment acting like this is an "on an iPhone" experience that's new to the world?

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Post by quantified »

elmerfud wrote: post #6
quantified wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't an "Uber driver" in that sense any more than there is a "person". Early on it was part-time and more gig labor. When you're being leased the vehicle via Uber themselves [ https://www.uber.com/us/en/drive/vehicle-solutions/ ] it's definitely pushing towards real job. I wonder how many of those locked-out drivers are paying for those cars on the lease program, or if they get preference. Take a taxi, people!

But you're acting like this is an "on an iPhone" experience that's new to the world. The idea of being leased equipment from someone for contract or gig labor is not new and hasn't been new for many many decades. So if you're complaining about the idea that companies who hire contract labor or gig work style labor can also lease out equipment necessary to do that labor, should the person choose to lease it from them,…

That's a strange take. Please provide evidence for how I'm acting? I wondered about something, that's all I see.

I think Uber is a pain to many for both making a market and setting the terms. Let the market decide what the prices and availability should be, that would be more "ride-sharing". They're just a super-informal taxi company. The fact that they weren't prosecuted for breaking laws along the way shows what hold money has on policy-making.

A driver is a contractor of some form to Uber, Uber sets the prices. Uber can screw around as much as they like, because they set all the terms. I'm not disagreeing with the day labor analogy, though it's not even a day here, it's just whenever Uber throws them a bone. You can say the drivers are all stupid if they thought it should be any different. I'd never be an Uber driver except if I thought I could get someone to split gas money with me for some trip, actual "ride sharing".

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Post by avree »

ziml77 wrote: post #9

I learned within the past year that Uber sucks for drivers around NYC. The T&LC rules mean that someone who's not registered can't take pickups in NYC. They can still drop you off though, so Uber considers it valid to assign a non-T&LC vehicle to drive into NYC. Of course when that happens, the driver has an empty car going back the other way. It's awful for their pay and a big waste of energy and road space. Some dr…

Uber drivers have been able to see the approximate destination before accepting the ride for over a year now in all markets.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Post by pavel_lishin »

avree wrote: post #16
ziml77 wrote: post #9

I learned within the past year that Uber sucks for drivers around NYC. The T&LC rules mean that someone who's not registered can't take pickups in NYC. They can still drop you off though, so Uber considers it valid to assign a non-T&LC vehicle to drive into NYC. Of course when that happens, the driver has an empty car going back the other way. It's awful for their pay and a big waste of energy and road space. Some dr…

Uber drivers have been able to see the approximate destination before accepting the ride for over a year now in all markets.

Yeah, which is why it's confusing that my mom had two drivers reject her the last time she needed to get to the airport when I wasn't able to give her a ride to JFK.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Post by jncfhnb »

elmerfud wrote: post #3

"...making it difficult for drivers to plan work shifts and treat Uber as a full-time job." So which is it they want flexible gig work that they can do at their own schedule in their own pace, or do they want planned work shifts in a full-time job. It seems what drivers are really asking for his money without any work. Because taking flexible gig work means you have the flexibility to work when you want without plann…

It’s very different from day laborers in that day laborers get to work for a day; and these drivers get to work until Uber says so. And one can guess that Uber is trying to minimize the hours worked per driver due to regulatory concerns.

The day laborer knows when they’re not picked to work. The Uber driver needs to keep checking all day presumably

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Post by kortilla »

quantified wrote: post #4
elmerfud wrote: post #3

"...making it difficult for drivers to plan work shifts and treat Uber as a full-time job." So which is it they want flexible gig work that they can do at their own schedule in their own pace, or do they want planned work shifts in a full-time job. It seems what drivers are really asking for his money without any work. Because taking flexible gig work means you have the flexibility to work when you want without plann…

There isn't an "Uber driver" in that sense any more than there is a "person". Early on it was part-time and more gig labor. When you're being leased the vehicle via Uber themselves [ https://www.uber.com/us/en/drive/vehicle-solutions/ ] it's definitely pushing towards real job. I wonder how many of those locked-out drivers are paying for those cars on the lease program, or if they get preference. Take a taxi, people!

Taxis suck swamp ass. Until they can’t scam you by taking circuitous routes, they are severely inferior.
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