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Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#61

F*ck Uber. I wish the United States would do what Greece did.

Agreed. Yellow cabs were and are great. Have lived in NYC all 36 years of my life. Delivery drivers used to get paid fairly before door dash too. All these rent seekers need to go.

Lol having also lived in NYC my entire life yellow cabs were not and are not great. And I don't know a single person who would say it is.

Delivery drivers never got paid fairly either.

Idk what imaginary version of NYC you live in.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#62
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I learned within the past year that Uber sucks for drivers around NYC. The T&LC rules mean that someone who's not registered can't take pickups in NYC. They can still drop you off though, so Uber considers it valid to assign a non-T&LC vehicle to drive into NYC. Of course when that happens, the driver has an empty car going back the other way. It's awful for their pay and a big waste of energy and road space. Some dr…

It also sucks for the riders and I really can't imagine Uber likes the situation either. It's a really annoying situation because you end up arguing with some driver over text or worse in person about it. They don't want to cancel because cancelling a lot impacts their rating with uber and they will get less rides. I don't want to cancel because after a few minutes I'll be charged a cancellation fee and now I have to…

Help me understand this as I'm not in NY and I use uber about 2-3 times a year. When you use Uber you put in your destination up-front - so everyone already knows where you are and where you're going, why isn't this information used by drivers to make a decision on whether or not to accept?

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#63
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber drivers have been able to see the approximate destination before accepting the ride for over a year now in all markets.

Yeah, which is why it's confusing that my mom had two drivers reject her the last time she needed to get to the airport when I wasn't able to give her a ride to JFK.

Why don't drivers want to go to the airport?

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#64
post #9

I learned within the past year that Uber sucks for drivers around NYC. The T&LC rules mean that someone who's not registered can't take pickups in NYC. They can still drop you off though, so Uber considers it valid to assign a non-T&LC vehicle to drive into NYC. Of course when that happens, the driver has an empty car going back the other way. It's awful for their pay and a big waste of energy and road space. Some dr…

Uber could certainly throw additional tech at this problem, but, realistically, the problem is the fault of NYC, not Uber. If NYC got rid of their antiquated laws, this would be a non-issue, and, rides would likely be cheaper and easier to obtain.

Not to mention you really don't want big names like Uber/Lyft to be the only players that can enter the game because they have the resources to enter a complex regulatory market.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#65
post #3

"...making it difficult for drivers to plan work shifts and treat Uber as a full-time job." So which is it they want flexible gig work that they can do at their own schedule in their own pace, or do they want planned work shifts in a full-time job. It seems what drivers are really asking for his money without any work. Because taking flexible gig work means you have the flexibility to work when you want without plann…

You're setting an incredibly low bar for what we should accept. We're talking about people's livelihoods here - their ability to put food on their family's table.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#66

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Wow, we've gone full circle. I remember when being able to reliably get an Uber to JFK was a selling point over taxis.

Isn't there a subway connection or something? I mean, it is an international airport and a big city...

LMFAO welcome to New York.

We have three major large scale airports, and none of them are connected to the subway. It would be comical if it wasn’t so sad.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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post #53

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It also sucks for the riders and I really can't imagine Uber likes the situation either. It's a really annoying situation because you end up arguing with some driver over text or worse in person about it. They don't want to cancel because cancelling a lot impacts their rating with uber and they will get less rides. I don't want to cancel because after a few minutes I'll be charged a cancellation fee and now I have to…

> It also sucks for the riders and I really can't imagine Uber likes the situation either. I think the question is what does Uber do when it doesn't like a situation? Does it try to create the best user experience given the constraints, or does it make the situation shitty for everyone except themselves (maybe until it can force whatever change best serves Uber's interests, nevermind anyone else)? It sounds like it's…

Question is how many of these needs to be added for all the rogue cities

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#68
post #7

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Obviously, what people want is full time jobs. That's what the whole political battle over these platforms is about.

Not everyone though - freelancers and contractors in particular want to work on their terms.

I think the issue is that in this case the drivers want to work on their terms, and Uber/Lift want to be able to limit the number of drivers at certain times (i.e.: work their terms) in order not to pay minimum wage to lot of drivers when there are too many drivers logged-in (and thus just sitting around).

There are aspects that are unfair for both parties... and this is exactly the sort of situation that Uber/Lift have setup: it is going to be exploitive to someone. The companies just thought it could always be them doing the exploiting.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#69
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post #8

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I'm not saying it shouldn't change. What I'm saying is this is more commonplace than what people believe. Hair stylists, auto mechanics, construction workers in many places, they all work under these conditions and have for many years. There's many more professions that offer flexibility that also work under these conditions. Often times these same people because they're individuals do not have any collective bargain…

Hair stylists, auto mechanics, construction workers [..] all work under these conditions Please specify under what conditions you mean here, because I know of no hair stylists nor construction workers that work by only doing the jobs that are allocated to them by a single company yet have no employment contract with that company. Either they own the hair salon/garage, or they get paid whenever they are available for…

>because I know of no hair stylists nor construction workers that work by only doing the jobs that are allocated to them by a single company yet have no employment contract with that company.

Can't a rideshare driver work for both uber and lyft? Moreover, how much job hopping actually happens for hair stylists or auto mechanics?

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#70
post #9

I learned within the past year that Uber sucks for drivers around NYC. The T&LC rules mean that someone who's not registered can't take pickups in NYC. They can still drop you off though, so Uber considers it valid to assign a non-T&LC vehicle to drive into NYC. Of course when that happens, the driver has an empty car going back the other way. It's awful for their pay and a big waste of energy and road space. Some dr…

Uber could certainly throw additional tech at this problem, but, realistically, the problem is the fault of NYC, not Uber. If NYC got rid of their antiquated laws, this would be a non-issue, and, rides would likely be cheaper and easier to obtain. Not to mention you really don't want big names like Uber/Lyft to be the only players that can enter the game because they have the resources to enter a complex regulatory m…

> Uber could certainly throw additional tech at this problem, but, realistically, the problem is the fault of NYC, not Uber. If NYC got rid of their antiquated laws, this would be a non-issue, and, rides would likely be cheaper and easier to obtain.

No, you've got it ass-backwards. It's Uber's job to provide the best customer experience given their constraints, it's not NYC's job to bend over backwards to adapt its laws to Uber's model.

The problem is the fault of Uber.

> Not to mention you really don't want big names like Uber/Lyft to be the only players that can enter the game because they have the resources to enter a complex regulatory market.

It sounds the additional tech required to "enter a complex regulatory market" is a boolean flag.

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