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Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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#51
Uber and Lyft underpriced their car service for years and years, killing off a lot traditional competition, i.e., independent taxi and limo companies.

Now, both Uber and Lyft seek to be profitable... so they are squeezing every possible penny out of riders and drivers.

If it looks, smells, and tastes like a Doo-Oh-Poh-Lee, it probably is one.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#52

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Wow, we've gone full circle. I remember when being able to reliably get an Uber to JFK was a selling point over taxis.

Isn't there a subway connection or something? I mean, it is an international airport and a big city...

The US has bizarre funding rules that made it effectively impossible to have a through ride from municipal public transport to the airport until recently.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

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I learned within the past year that Uber sucks for drivers around NYC. The T&LC rules mean that someone who's not registered can't take pickups in NYC. They can still drop you off though, so Uber considers it valid to assign a non-T&LC vehicle to drive into NYC. Of course when that happens, the driver has an empty car going back the other way. It's awful for their pay and a big waste of energy and road space. Some dr…

It also sucks for the riders and I really can't imagine Uber likes the situation either. It's a really annoying situation because you end up arguing with some driver over text or worse in person about it. They don't want to cancel because cancelling a lot impacts their rating with uber and they will get less rides. I don't want to cancel because after a few minutes I'll be charged a cancellation fee and now I have to…

> It also sucks for the riders and I really can't imagine Uber likes the situation either.

I think the question is what does Uber do when it doesn't like a situation? Does it try to create the best user experience given the constraints, or does it make the situation shitty for everyone except themselves (maybe until it can force whatever change best serves Uber's interests, nevermind anyone else)?

It sounds like it's totally within Uber's capabilities to make this situation better (add a "TLC car" flag to their system, and only use those cars for NYC rides), so why have they chosen not to do that?

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#54

F*ck Uber. I wish the United States would do what Greece did.

Agreed. Yellow cabs were and are great. Have lived in NYC all 36 years of my life. Delivery drivers used to get paid fairly before door dash too.

All these rent seekers need to go.

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#57

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If this were true, how would you explain that both drivers and riders enter into the relationship voluntarily. Most of my uber drivers have been intelligent and knowledgeable about their options - quite the opposite of exploited and vulnerable.

How do you explain a College Student with no disposable income signing up for a Credit Card? I drove for Uber/Lyft for a while. I fully understood I was converting the equity in my car into meals and rent. Most people don't get that at all.

Adults are free to make a wide array of legal, ethical, but nevertheless terrible decisions. An example is poor dietary choices.

All jobs are a conversion of time/skill/knowledge/strength/etc. into a fungible token, money. That fungible token is then used to meet other needs: food and shelter being top of the list. In many parts of the developing world, a person cannot eat if they don't work that day.

In the best case scenario, you come out ahead - where the resources you put in are returned n-fold. An I-Banker grinding out 80+ hour weeks is giving up time with friends and family and perhaps compromising health. Is that person exploited?

Anybody who has driven for a ride sharing company understands that their vehicle will take on excess wear-and-tear and they have to pay for gas. They presumably compare against other jobs and pick ride sharing driver freely.

I would say it is rather condescending to refer to adults making informed decisions in their own self-interest as vulnerable and exploited.

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"...making it difficult for drivers to plan work shifts and treat Uber as a full-time job." So which is it they want flexible gig work that they can do at their own schedule in their own pace, or do they want planned work shifts in a full-time job. It seems what drivers are really asking for his money without any work. Because taking flexible gig work means you have the flexibility to work when you want without plann…

With day labour the clue is in the name, you get hired for the day. They can't send you home halfway through, or at least they still have to pay you a full day.

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#59

Like it or not, in the current US Capitalist's Environment (as opposed to some mythical earlier time when corporations were supposed to have some social responsibility), in this current environment, Humans are a Commodity. If there is a human surplus, the cost(pay) goes down. If there is a human shortage, the price(pay) goes up. When there are fewer desperate humans needing Uber to eat, and Uber can't find drivers, t…

LOL

I would like more feedback.

Am I being downvoted by 'Capitalist's', because it sounds like I'm anti-free market? When really, I'm just outlining what a market is, how things are?

Or Am I being downvoted by 'Socialist', because it sounds like I'm advocating that Capitalisms is the natural order and humans are commodities, and is just how things are?

It is very hard to tell what line is being crossed.

Re: Uber Is Locking Out NYC Drivers Mid-Shift to Lower Minimum Pay

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't an "Uber driver" in that sense any more than there is a "person". Early on it was part-time and more gig labor. When you're being leased the vehicle via Uber themselves [ https://www.uber.com/us/en/drive/vehicle-solutions/ ] it's definitely pushing towards real job. I wonder how many of those locked-out drivers are paying for those cars on the lease program, or if they get preference. Take a taxi, people!

Taxis suck swamp ass. Until they can’t scam you by taking circuitous routes, they are severely inferior.

Tangential, but about three years ago my wife and I went to Mexico for two weeks to deal with some immigration stuff. We made very liberal use of the "Didi" app, which I actually recommend because it was generally quite good, and most drivers would take us on direct paths and it was fine.

One day, when returning back to the hotel from Walmart, which was about a 15 minute drive, we got a Didi, the driver came, and it took more than 45 minutes because he was taking the longest path he could find. There was no traffic as far as I could tell, and Didi would still pay a "per mile" charge.

The exchange rate in Mexico is so in your favor as a US citizen that I didn't really complain about it because it only ended up being an extra $6 or so, but I did feel a little taken advantage of.

I greatly prefer knowing my cost before I get in the cab.

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