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Re: LINQPad – The .NET Programmer's Playground

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Post by celdon25 »

neonsunset wrote: post #90
celdon25 wrote: post #84

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What are you talking about? This is well documented. https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/30065 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/48810 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/1609 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/299 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-dotnettools/issues/573 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/5276#issuecom... https://isdotnetopen.com/ A Rider license c…

For organizations it is, for users it's $149 annually and then cheaper: https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/buy/?section=personal&billin... It is also free for OSS development, I maintain a couple of .NET libraries and applied for JetBrains free OSS license and they approved it within a week or so. On debugger - Rider uses its own debugger, they do not license it. Also, please do not link posts from Miguel De Icaza when…

Not bad faith, these are issues I've been affected by first-hand. And when I have a technical issue I fix it by getting to the root cause, not becoming a vassal to JetBrains.

Re: LINQPad – The .NET Programmer's Playground

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Post by neonsunset »

runevault wrote: post #63
neonsunset wrote: post #46

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Try pre-release version, also needs newer Roslyn version so the SDK needs to be updated too. OS here doesn’t matter.

Pretty sure I'm on latest 8 SDK, but did not try pre release of the the addin so that could be it.

It uses a new Roslyn API to dump SyntaxTree and IOperation's starting at a specific span of source code IIRC, and it shipped in one of the minor version after .NET 8.0.0 release, it took me a bit to get it working upon its release but by this time you should have the necessary SDK, though the relevant extension version may still be marked as pre-release hence my suggestion.

Re: LINQPad – The .NET Programmer's Playground

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Post by justin66 »

realusername wrote: post #85
justin66 wrote: post #77

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There are a couple of problems here. Half of Stack Overflow "developers" might not use Windows, but the relevant population to measure is C# developers. Assuming as many Linux C# developers will buy the thing as Windows or MacOS developers do is an obvious mistake. > Even Microsoft themselves understood this. Microsoft understands, among other things, that they can't charge money for Linux tools.

There isn't as many C# developers on Linux and MacOS because the experience has been terrible for a long time and still is lacking to a smaller degree, you have the cause reversed. > Microsoft understands, among other things, that they can't charge money for Linux tools. It's the opposite trend going on, they embrace as much as possible Linux and port as much as they can.

> It's the opposite trend going on, they embrace as much as possible Linux and port as much as they can.

How much of it is stuff that people actually pay for?

Re: LINQPad – The .NET Programmer's Playground

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Post by strayamaaate »

misterflibble wrote: post #83
celdon25 wrote: post #9

Unfortunately, they still haven't gotten around to making it usable outside of Windows https://forum.linqpad.net/discussion/1935/installation-on-ma...

I wish we could volunteer to help Joe make LINQPad cross-platform, I'd definitely like to help with that.

Likewise. Running LINQPad in Parallels just isn’t the same.

Re: LINQPad – The .NET Programmer's Playground

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Post by realusername »

justin66 wrote: post #93
realusername wrote: post #85

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There isn't as many C# developers on Linux and MacOS because the experience has been terrible for a long time and still is lacking to a smaller degree, you have the cause reversed. > Microsoft understands, among other things, that they can't charge money for Linux tools. It's the opposite trend going on, they embrace as much as possible Linux and port as much as they can.

> It's the opposite trend going on, they embrace as much as possible Linux and port as much as they can. How much of it is stuff that people actually pay for?

Since they just focus on Azure and just milk Windows with ads and let it rot nowadays, I'm guessing it must be very profitable, otherwise they would stop.

Re: LINQPad – The .NET Programmer's Playground

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Post by justin66 »

realusername wrote: post #95
justin66 wrote: post #93

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> It's the opposite trend going on, they embrace as much as possible Linux and port as much as they can. How much of it is stuff that people actually pay for?

Since they just focus on Azure and just milk Windows with ads and let it rot nowadays, I'm guessing it must be very profitable, otherwise they would stop.

I'm sure Azure is profitable for Microsoft. Microsoft are not even trying to sell development tools (the category of tools that would include LINQPad) to Linux devs.

Re: LINQPad – The .NET Programmer's Playground

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Post by realusername »

justin66 wrote: post #96
realusername wrote: post #95

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Since they just focus on Azure and just milk Windows with ads and let it rot nowadays, I'm guessing it must be very profitable, otherwise they would stop.

I'm sure Azure is profitable for Microsoft. Microsoft are not even trying to sell development tools (the category of tools that would include LINQPad) to Linux devs.

They don't care about development tools period anymore, they just make most of their business on the cloud and most of it being very dependent on Linux.

Re: LINQPad – The .NET Programmer's Playground

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Post by paulirwin »

celdon25 wrote: post #86
tablloyd wrote: post #52

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Autocomplete works fine interactively debugging on MacOS with JetBrains rider. Syntax trees can be browsed on https://sharplab.io/ or again via Rider and I'm sure there are some other tools that I'm not aware of. The Roslyn sdk is part of .NET (cross platform) these days so anyone can use it to build a visualiser should they wish to.

Jetbrains IDEs aren't free (and cost many times more than what is fair for the quality of the product they are known to ship), and SharpLab only has a partial implementation of it: https://github.com/ashmind/SharpLab/issues/616 > The Roslyn sdk is part of .NET (cross platform) these days so anyone can use it to build a visualiser should they wish to. Of course, but for most people that need this, they may just be try…

> Whether it be the rent-seekers at JetBrains

This is a gratuitously negative comment that is unfair and uses an incorrect metaphor. Rent-seeking is trying to charge for something without providing any new value, usually from something already established as free. I don't believe Rider was ever available for free, but even if it was, they certainly have improved it with loads of new value since then. You're welcome to your opinion (that I don't share) that their IDEs are not worth the cost, but you're also free to not buy them. That's not rent-seeking, it's the free market.

I personally am a big fan of Rider and the JetBrains Toolbox suite, and I get several times more value out of my subscription than it costs. YMMV.

Re: LINQPad – The .NET Programmer's Playground

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Post by paulirwin »

neonsunset wrote: post #90
celdon25 wrote: post #84

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What are you talking about? This is well documented. https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/30065 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/48810 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/1609 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/299 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-dotnettools/issues/573 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/5276#issuecom... https://isdotnetopen.com/ A Rider license c…

For organizations it is, for users it's $149 annually and then cheaper: https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/buy/?section=personal&billin... It is also free for OSS development, I maintain a couple of .NET libraries and applied for JetBrains free OSS license and they approved it within a week or so. On debugger - Rider uses its own debugger, they do not license it. Also, please do not link posts from Miguel De Icaza when…

And for organizations, it's only $419 for the first year. It's $251/yr from 3+ years on.

It should be noted that $419/year is $35/mo, which is still $10/mo cheaper than the Visual Studio 2022 Professional monthly subscription at $45/mo. $21/mo at 3+ years is less than half.

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