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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is in line of when I worked in a semiconductor lab in suburban UK in the 90s. We had a couple of local residents report problems immediately even though we hadn't even started fabrication at that point. They eventually sent out a press release saying that we had moved manufacturing to Scotland. The complaints stopped instantly. The lab was running until at least 2017 with no complaints and regular inspections fr…

> YMMV but some people are crazy. The EPA is however not. But what the EPA say and what the woman claims are disparate. To complicate it further, this woman did in fact live on top of an industrially-zone area which had industrial contamination on site. The apartments are very new (finished construction in ~2019) and they had to agree to a ton of cleanup to get permits to build. There are so many confounding factors…

Well it would require more data which is the problem, and something I outlined elsewhere. Is she the only person complaining? The case is put forward as if that is the case. If that is the case then there is little evidence to discard the null hypothesis that there's nothing wrong and either alternate hypothesis that it's the Apple facility or the previously contaminated site seem very unlikely.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

#112
post #70

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I recognized her name when this story dropped. She’s been on an Apple vendetta for some time.

At what point does legitimate whistleblowing become a vendetta?

When other notable Apple whistleblowers have to file restraining orders against them because Gjovik makes up more lies and then doxxes their family?

https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/04/05/appletoo-founders...

https://nypost.com/2022/04/03/apple-whistleblower-movement-t...

https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/ScarlettvGjovi...

Gjovik is self-publishing this for a reason, multiple journalists tried to corroborate her constantly changing story, and when the media interest disappeared she had a w̶e̶l̶l̶-̶p̶u̶b̶l̶i̶c̶i̶s̶e̶d̶ somewhat-infamous-in-Apple-circles meltdown and in an increasingly implausible conspiracy allegation attacked multiple former allies for being out to get her, many of which have remained silent.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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post #104

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It won't come this far. First of all the website itself won't be allowed to be hosted. Moreover, the person would most likely be dead or in one of the reeducation camps for a long time. Most of the chinese large tech companies are funded by Chinese govt so complaining against them is like complaining against the govt or the party.

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USA doesn't support China. It needs it because it increases the profit of megacos and saves them the hassle of dealing with litigious populace at home.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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> (...) Apple engineer “accidently” turning on lethal fluorine gas. Similarly, another incident, the TEOS leak, was root caused to an Apple engineer accidently installing the gas for a tool “backwards.” Further, less than two weeks following the April 30 2021 phosphine leak, Apple’s manifests included sixty pounds of “vacuum filters contaminated with glass dust,” implying there may have also been a phosphine explosio…

Inside industrial settings I would presume stuff like this happens all the time. In fact, people even die sometimes. Even when a refinery blew up in Texas a few years back it barely made the news. On a side note, Fluorine is bad stuff but I believe it doesn't have a long lifespan so any impact would be immediate or not at all

My brother works in a oil refinery lab…

One of the test samples he opened (unexpectedly) had a flourine compound in it that strips calcium from bones… he jumped in the lab shower which sets of an alarm when activated, which leads to lab evacuations and an emergency team in hazmat gear arriving

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

#116
post #72

The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

This is in line of when I worked in a semiconductor lab in suburban UK in the 90s. We had a couple of local residents report problems immediately even though we hadn't even started fabrication at that point. They eventually sent out a press release saying that we had moved manufacturing to Scotland. The complaints stopped instantly. The lab was running until at least 2017 with no complaints and regular inspections fr…

> But what the EPA say and what the woman claims are disparate.

Yeah, the reports quoted with scary big red boxes seem to be... mostly minor or procedural stuff?

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still looking into this and forming my opinion. It's very curious how at the end of her YouTube video she mentions other residents in her building came forward and said they too were sick (numerous ER visits over 2 years), and they DIDN'T KNOW WHY, until they saw her expose in the newspaper. That seems to counter your hypochondria theory, no? see: https://youtu.be/pGK4_sR1CvY?si=KEK9xh0mUEStV76-&t=2680

You can’t really use a questionable source to verify the same source.

fair point. i guess i’m just illustrating that it’s not as clear as the parent makes it seem.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

#118

Americans discovering the real reason why things are made in China

Or third world countries in general. As sexy as made in home country sounds, modern day manufacturing is truly deadly. Look at the chemical exposure Samsung treats their workers to. It happened in south Korea, but that's an other country, so it didn't matter. But it also happened in Canada, now it's news.

But is it better if my lifestyle kills foreigners instead of fellow citizens?

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

#119
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> YMMV but some people are crazy. The EPA is however not. But what the EPA say and what the woman claims are disparate. To complicate it further, this woman did in fact live on top of an industrially-zone area which had industrial contamination on site. The apartments are very new (finished construction in ~2019) and they had to agree to a ton of cleanup to get permits to build. There are so many confounding factors…

Well it would require more data which is the problem, and something I outlined elsewhere. Is she the only person complaining? The case is put forward as if that is the case. If that is the case then there is little evidence to discard the null hypothesis that there's nothing wrong and either alternate hypothesis that it's the Apple facility or the previously contaminated site seem very unlikely.

> many confounding factors

Indeed. May 2022 TechCruch [0] about sexism at workplace:

"Privacy watchdogs in Europe are considering a complaint against Apple made by a former employee, Ashley Gjøvik, who alleges the company fired her after she raised a number of concerns, internally and publicly, including over the safety of the workplace." "At the time, Gjøvik had been placed on administrative leave by Apple after raising concerns about sexism in the workplace, and a hostile and unsafe working environment which it had said it was investigating."

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/11/gobbler-complaint-europe/?...

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

#120

The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

I'm still looking into this and forming my opinion. It's very curious how at the end of her YouTube video she mentions other residents in her building came forward and said they too were sick (numerous ER visits over 2 years), and they DIDN'T KNOW WHY, until they saw her expose in the newspaper. That seems to counter your hypochondria theory, no? see: https://youtu.be/pGK4_sR1CvY?si=KEK9xh0mUEStV76-&t=2680

People get strange symptoms all the time. I currently have a chronic scalp condition that doctors haven’t really identified and a really stiff neck. Of course I’m going to go ‘aha!’ If someone gives me a plausible explanation
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