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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by BoredPositron »

lurking_swe wrote: post #97
murderfs wrote: post #55

The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

I'm still looking into this and forming my opinion. It's very curious how at the end of her YouTube video she mentions other residents in her building came forward and said they too were sick (numerous ER visits over 2 years), and they DIDN'T KNOW WHY, until they saw her expose in the newspaper. That seems to counter your hypochondria theory, no? see: https://youtu.be/pGK4_sR1CvY?si=KEK9xh0mUEStV76-&t=2680

You can’t really use a questionable source to verify the same source.

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Post by mcfedr »

sgt wrote: post #61

There should be more strict zoning laws. You can't have industrial processes happening anywhere near homes like these. I thought California was strict on zoning?

It's funny, mostly your zoning laws seem to create crazy problems, and yet the one actual problem they are supposed to solve and they completely fail

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Post by sigmoid10 »

user_7832 wrote: post #77
sigmoid10 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also what I wonder. So far the EPA has found a few faults, but with only one self reported case of humans affected among thousands of potential victims this whole story could still tip towards either "this is bad but all too common" and "this is a gigantic scandal of obscene proportions." The latter one makes for a better news story and twitter threads, but that also doesn't make every suspicion in there true…

It could be a combination of a few things. Maybe some people aren’t as sensitive as this lady. Maybe some moved out. And possibly many just haven’t spoken up or even are aware of such a factory releasing gasses.

Indeed. But those are a few too many "coulds" for me to jump to any conclusions.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by sgt »

piyushpr134 wrote: post #85
sgt wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would complaining about this be received in China? I guess you have very few rights.

It won't come this far. First of all the website itself won't be allowed to be hosted. Moreover, the person would most likely be dead or in one of the reeducation camps for a long time. Most of the chinese large tech companies are funded by Chinese govt so complaining against them is like complaining against the govt or the party.

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Post by maxehmookau »

canogat wrote: post #70
fxtentacle wrote: post #64

I find it surprising that apparently she's suing Apple not only for dumping toxic chemicals into the air directly next to her apartment, but also for an unrelated case of Apple's security videotaping the women's toilet rooms. That chemical court case seems very strong to me, with multiple indipendent parties having measured the gas in the air. (Edit: and multiple government agencies reporting chemical accidents at Ap…

I recognized her name when this story dropped. She’s been on an Apple vendetta for some time.

At what point does legitimate whistleblowing become a vendetta?

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by happosai »

Afforess wrote: post #58
user_7832 wrote: post #51

> (...) Apple engineer “accidently” turning on lethal fluorine gas. Similarly, another incident, the TEOS leak, was root caused to an Apple engineer accidently installing the gas for a tool “backwards.” Further, less than two weeks following the April 30 2021 phosphine leak, Apple’s manifests included sixty pounds of “vacuum filters contaminated with glass dust,” implying there may have also been a phosphine explosio…

I like how Apple got the city HazMat to tip them off to the EPA inspectors, personally. Is that a new “best practice?” I am taking notes.

Having "contacts" in important places does pay off.

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Post by user_7832 »

AdamN wrote: post #100
user_7832 wrote: post #51

> (...) Apple engineer “accidently” turning on lethal fluorine gas. Similarly, another incident, the TEOS leak, was root caused to an Apple engineer accidently installing the gas for a tool “backwards.” Further, less than two weeks following the April 30 2021 phosphine leak, Apple’s manifests included sixty pounds of “vacuum filters contaminated with glass dust,” implying there may have also been a phosphine explosio…

Inside industrial settings I would presume stuff like this happens all the time. In fact, people even die sometimes. Even when a refinery blew up in Texas a few years back it barely made the news. On a side note, Fluorine is bad stuff but I believe it doesn't have a long lifespan so any impact would be immediate or not at all

I'm not surprised that such stuff happens often, I myself know people who've worked in such factories and lost colleagues. What I find odd/unusual is more about how this occurred (occurs?) in an urban area where regulations should've done something.

Factory workers working in dangerous conditions and losing their lives is unfortunate, but their effects hurting/killing the general population (a-la Bhopal Gas Tragedy) should not be legally possible.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by fxtentacle »

user_7832 wrote: post #51

> (...) Apple engineer “accidently” turning on lethal fluorine gas. Similarly, another incident, the TEOS leak, was root caused to an Apple engineer accidently installing the gas for a tool “backwards.” Further, less than two weeks following the April 30 2021 phosphine leak, Apple’s manifests included sixty pounds of “vacuum filters contaminated with glass dust,” implying there may have also been a phosphine explosio…

I think not because all the concentrations were pretty low. The problem that Ashley faced was that she was exposed 24/7. But to me it looks like almost all of the gas concentrations would have been considered an A-OK working environment for up to 8 hours of exposure.

And while it's not wrong that fluorine is a lethal gas, it is heavily used in many industries and in medicine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorine#Inorganic_fluorides

Her documentation shows a careless attitude on Apple's side. And there are enough independent parties documenting accidents that she can sue and win. But overall, this doesn't look worse to me than how many other industrial companies operate.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by cjk2 »

vineyardmike wrote: post #93
cjk2 wrote: post #46

While I don't doubt the facts and EPA analysis around the case and the measurements, how many other local residents reported this and are fighting it?

Yea I was really surprised reading this that I know a few people who lived in that apartment complex. The complex holds 1800 households, and the whole city has ~50k, so that single complex accounts for 3-4% of Santa Clara’s total households. And only one woman has reported any issues, as far as we know. That said, Santa Clara is basically a giant industrial superfund site already from the semiconductor industry, so I…

Yeah this is not within the realms of even an 0.1% confidence interval. Indistinguishable from chance. Hypothesis should be investigated and then discarded!

That doesn't make a good headline though.

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